Evander Holyfield: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

Look how many 1-2`s and combos Louis finishes these opponents with, when has Fury ever done that?

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I've been called worse. I don't have to write an essay on it something that is basic sense. I see Joe Louis for who he was as well as Holyfield. Both great fighters.

 

It's easy to look good against weak opposition.

 

Which is even more impressive, considering the opposition Louis faced.

 

Evander couldn't even figure out tearing up a condom wrapper, so.

 

His opposition was weak, that was my point

 

I know, but your point was wrong so I decided to correct your take

 

ETM is absolutely NOT a troll, and is a valuable member here.

The idiot you're talking is a troll, and is the #1 person most people here would like to see banned for life. He has no useful or informed input, resurrects the same oriented threads for propaganda reasons, calls everyone troll and idiot who disagrees with him.

moneytheloser needs to get kicked off, permamently. No redeeming qualities.

 

I gave the answer on mike you skipped over it

it is no counter I said why joe didnt hit that hard really why are you trying to make something true thats not true

your the one not liking the truth not me
I never said joe hit real hard you did your the one who has to prove it not me

you must not read enough on legend etm cause I have mutiple times sense last year he has lots of post trolling saying lies and crazy stuff

 

no it's not how is fighting a bunch of dudes who stand there giving easy shots more impressive then having to find a way to punch a moving person who knows how to punch with good tech im never surprised by the dumb stuff you say

 

How did his opposition compare to today`s top 10?

 

I didn’t skip anything. Your reply to my question was basically:-

“I was going for Mike still, even though he fell off”

As a reply it doesn’t make sense at multiple levels. For one, I personally “go”’for a lot of different athletes and teams in sport, that doesn’t equate to my forecasting their chances and providing reasons for same.

I’ll cut to the chase. You imply absolute confidence in your beliefs and predictions in the realm of FANTASY fights, the outcomes of which will never be realised.

Your predictions will never be held to account or measured against ACTUAL results. Thus many people can and DO blow a LOT of hot air on these subjects. You’ve got a lot to say on such fights but NOTABLY pulled up short when I asked you to apply same to Tyson v Douglas, a fight that has an actual result but still a fight for which one can truthfully provide their actual forecast as at the time or even how they might’ve forecast the result given the evidence just prior to the fight.

I’ll speak for you re the answer you side stepped. Feel free to correct me. YOU would’ve picked Tyson to crush Douglas in 1-2 rds and YOU would’ve been dead wrong. Period.

Had the fight been cancelled for some reason (= no actual outcome), you would’ve held your prediction to be FACT and labelled anyone who forecast a different outcome as TROLLS, such is your well reasoned boxing acumen in the FANTASY world.

So you skipped giving a truthful answer, your intent only being to bull ahead with more poorly reasoned judgements, left, right and centre, re fights that will never happen.
While these fights won’t happen, it doesn’t make you immune to being identified as heavily devoid of logic in your “reasonings”.

I feel a song coming on. Sometimes boxing forums can be like jungles, inducing the same levels of frustration and hopelessness. “Can’t even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight….don’t push me…” OR who could forget “Broke my sacroiliac”, (“Spinal” as Iron Mike might broadly call it).

The message is clear

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how did I not give you my truth when I said I was going for him and said I knew he wasnt ready felloff I never told you i thought he would run through him why would anybody think that if the person is in a felloff state

then you say alot of bull did you want me to just tell you I thought mike was still at his best I dont do that blind act like they do here

the same way how you said how joe hit harder then he did I had no problem with you now your trolling me cause I first gave you the real truth on joe power you said I was wrong when Im not then you asked me of mike I told you truth said I was wrong agian

truth hurts you people bad why is that

 

I love Evander but I don’t see him as a good match up against Louis at all. They were the same size. Same speed. Near identical reach but Evander did get hit and then rumbled. Louis was a better combination puncher and a much bigger puncher. I think Joe is one of the few that stops Evander based on styles.

 

Amazing.

Still no answer to a simple question. So much for truth and honesty.

Try AGAIN. Based on evidence at hand just PRIOR to Tyson v Douglas, WHO would you have picked, why and how? How hard is that?

I can see you’re reluctant to give an honest answer lest it impugn your positions otherwise. You’re thinking ahead, beyond a truthful reply.

You’re making similar calls on FANTASY fights all over the place but you can’t manage this one call. Very telling.

How did Mike fall off prior to Douglas btw? Did you “see something” in Mike’s 93 sec destruction of Carl Williams in his last fight prior to?

Or, was it in the actual beating of Mike that you figured, by circular default, Mike had fallen off? The fight itself isn’t part of the question anyway. The question of your prognostication skills are under question and YOU know it.

Do you blindly entertain Louis falling off his game on occasion in the fights you critique him on? Of course not. One eye open, one eye closed.

I’ve said before, the only person being hurt by the truth is YOU and when you can’t handle the truth, you deflect by whipping out the old Troll card and what not.

How is that you’re not harassing people?

Without even having read or knowing who might think differently, you’ve put out blanket Tarzan calls stating that “anyone”’who holds a different or opposite view to a particular opinion of your own must automatically be trolls, liars, idiots and hurt by the “truth”. LOL.

I’m not trying to harass you and would never do that. If you think fair and just replies are somehow too “hot”, then I might suggest that you get out of the kitchen.

Otherwise, it’s all too easy not to address you but, boy howdy doody, you’re popping up everywhere with some opinion or another, on a PUBLIC forum, open to all.