Evander Holyfield - "Mayweather doesn't believe he'll beat Pacquiao 6/27/2014

you know what else people do all of the time blanc.....they stop dealing with people who jerked them around....when they have been sincere at times in trying to deal with them and make something happen....and the other person is just making a show of it for other people......you can only try so many times with some people before you have to give up, say "**** it", and not care anymore

pac walked away from the best deal he was ever gonna get....then they file lawsuits....then theres bob with all his cuts and stadiums bull****...then theres pac saying hell take less...then floyd calls and he hangs up and says 50/50 or nothing(koncz and floyd both said they never even discussed a backend of the deal floyd proposed....yet koncz said they countered floyds offer....when floyds offer was never even finished being discussed).....then pac says lets fight for charity.......then you got pacs promoter trashing floyds fight and urging boycotts.........you can only deal with someones bull**** for so long......thats why schaefer stopped trying with bob too....schaefer wanted to and tried.....

 

loL@manny calling floyd out......when? when hes doing press tours for bradley and other fights?

does he ever call floyd out in the ring after his ppv fights? for the whole world to see? does he ever say "this is what i want for money...ill take your tests"???....no he says it on press tours and youtube interviews.....this dude aint callin anyone out....hes simply giving lip service so people like you can act as if he really wants it cause you heard him say it........he doesnt put a full court press on ****....if he really wanted it...hed do that.....

he could have told bob "im not gonna resign yet...i want the floyd fight so im gonna try and get that and ill resign with you later....if i cant get the floyd fight ill resign with you".....but he didnt....he went and got a pen ....he could have called floyds "bluff" right there.....and he didnt do **** but go get a pen

 

Answer the question, why would manny not want to fight him? What does he have to lose compared to Floyd?

 

imho opinion...i never really thought it was about manny.....ive always thought that it was bob trying to prevent it so his new cashcow/toy could keep his earning power and not lose the myth of being the "floyd buster".....thats what keeps manny rolling....the minute the fight is made...and if manny loses....most of his appeal is out of the window to the casuals.....that and i think bob hates floyd and the fact that floyd made it where his without him....bob never imagined that would happen

but then i noticed.....that pac had the best chance ever to call floyds bluff....when floyd said leave bob arum....manny had it right there in front of him....his lawyer advised him not to do it....if thats what it took to get the fight.....and manny went and got the pen and let the ink dry......all he had to do was say "im not gonna resign right now i wanna try and get floyd and then i will".....

either pac doesnt want it also....or koncz/arum have him on puppet strings...i actually still believe its all arum/koncz....manny cant think for himself...and we know what a weasel koncz is......manny would prob take the fight if he could.....its just not that easy....i know arizas words hold little weight but the dude did say that arum/koncz have meeting to make sure they are on the same page about blocking the fight.....i know myself ariza isnt the most credible guy in the world and has beef with arum and some of those guys.....but still...its strange to hear a guy from pacs camp actually say it....cause its what i believe

 

lol @ Mayweather fans still trying to convince themselves that Floyd wants the fight.

Floyd Mayweather has said explicitly that he doesn't want it time and again. Case close.

 

try to be a reasonable adult for a few moments here....

yer floyd-ok ive tried dealing with these guys...i they had a great deal on the table wouldnt take a 14 day cutoff...they took me to court....they hang up on me when i call....arum spouts of bull**** about cuts and stadiums and many excuses......arum talks trash about my fight and urges a boycott....i dont even care about these guys anymore...i tried....you can only try so much....i aint even worried about this **** anymore im over it...**** em....dont need it dont care

yer pac-i can look at a camera and say i want the floyd fight but i know damn well my promoter and manager dont....and will make sure they ruin a relationship with the other side and burn every bridge there is to those guys....while im at it im going to file a lawsuit for good measure so i can really put up a good roadblock and make things harder...but ill smile and tell the world i want the fight....but i can say "talk to my promoter" when i should be calling floyd out but i know my promoter wont let it happen....oh what did floyd say? i can get the fight if i cut bob arum out of the deal? man i really want the floyd fight cause you heard me say it right? well let me go get my pen and sign my name on a contract with TR right away! cause thats how much i want the fight....you guys heard me say it right? hurry up ink...dry....dry.....

 

Maybe so, but it really doesn't matter at this point. Floyd's fault, Manny's fault, Arum's fault, Schaefer's fault, etc....

The fans have already been screwed of a great matchup and it was a complete disgrace to the sport.

 

i totally agree.....it sucks

but like ive said...ive always believed it was arums jealousy/animosity towards floyd that has driven this bull****.....ever since he linked up with oscars outfit and became a star its been nothing but bull****.....before that bob loved floyd and even right after floyd bought out his TR contract bob said things were good and that they were prob gonna do business together in the near future......and when it didnt happen he wasnt happy

then he did a great job of creating manny into a star....which was prob a bit easier since manny is more of a fan friendly fighter.....but theres just as much risk by arum and his company if he loses to floyd as there is to floyd if he loses his 0......

bobs animosity has driven this bull****...and we prob should have seen it coming before it really did...

 

freddie roach came out and said....in teh same interview before pac/bradley 2 where he said they walked from testing......that he thought bob arum wanted mannys last fight to be floyd

that right there puts up a red flag for me....if mannys own trainer feels bob wants to milk manny before letting him fight floyd....taht should tell you alot...doesnt mean hes 100 percent right....but ill be damned if that doesnt say somethign to me....i mean its what ive believed all along anyway.....bob has never wanted this fight until hes no longer concerned with manny making money for his company....thats bobs bottom line....we know he aint care about the fans

 

Manny ran for the hills, after floyd accepted mannys unprecedented 10 million dollar per pound weight penalty clause! Why does nobody see this?

 

It takes two to tango Pac shares just as much blame as pbf does for this fight not happening.

 

What I find funny with all this is that Mayweather supporters just stick to one negotiation ! One .. There were a different set of negotiations where Manny agreed to all of Floyd's demands even conceding on the split and Floyd then comes back with he has to leave Arum ..When will they realize that this guy wants nothing to do with Manny nothing !

Dam shame ,how the top draw in boxing refuses to fight his biggest rival

Oscar fought all his rivals

Holyfield fought all his rivals

Leonard fought all his rivals

Tyson fought all his rivals

What the hell is wrong with a Floyd why does he continue to avoid the biggest fight in boxing ? Makes no boxing sense ,financial sense ,or common sense !

 

This guy tells it like it is, manny > floyd.

 

when did manny really concede anything??? i mean seriously? when he said hed take less? then said anything less than 50/50 is no good? then said hed fight for charity.....

they have put out so much bull**** its hard to tell if any of it is even real

floyd called up with a good offer(ill go into it if you want...but youll tell me the 40 mil cut is a ripoff...because you likely understand nothing)....at least for a good start and they never even discussed a backend(which koncz and floyd both stated)....and then they come at floyd with some supposed counteroffer when they never finished talk about the deal floyd called to propose in the first place...its a joke......mannys gonna take less....manny wants 50/50....manny will fight for charity...lol...hes all over the place.....

do you actually believe pac or floyd would ever fight for charity....for free? ever? in the biggest fight that can be made? lol.....why was it even said....they throw out so much bull**** but never actually come to the table ...its sad