Evander Holyfield vs Jack Johnson

Johnson could decision him possibly. Depends. An interesting match up.

 

Let me see Jack Johnson fought in a era where the skill level was low. Jack Johnson by modern standards would be considered a club fighter with his low level skill. Hell the skill level was so low that if Deontay Wilder boxed back then he would be consider the most skill boxer by far doing that time. They also fought with little 4 ounce gloves and Johnson was still not a big puncher.

Holyfield by 1st or 2nd round knockout.

 

Johnson had low level skills?

 

Holy takes him out inside 7 rounds. Better skills, harder hitter, good on the counter, etc..He has just about everything over Johnson.

 

Come on .. A guy with a hundred posts makes such an aggressive statement. It's one of this forum's many trolls .. if you choose to respond at least know that going in.

 

I love Holyfield but I don't consider him one of the most clever fighters I've seen at heavyweight and we've seen him badly puzzled by boxers. Granted he was getting older but he seemed lost vs Donald and Byrd. An old Holmes gave him lots of problems along the way in Evander's own prime. I see it as an interesting match up for sure.

 

Take a minute to compare Johnson's best opponents... a middleweight Sam Langford, lil' Tommy Burns, a 19 yr. old Sam McVea (I am reticent to include that alfalfa farmer who came in from the fields)... to Holy's. - a PRIME Bowe, serviceable versions of Holmes and Foreman, prime Lewis, Qawi...

Mull over that for a hot minute or two.

 

Except you're wrong. If you know anything about Johnson's career you would acknowledge he fought an outstanding quantity and quality of opponents before and thru his career, one of the better ever.

 

Name these great heavyweights.

 

HE,

This list of what Johnson did better is very short.

There are three givens for this fight:

1 ) Holyfield will be the more active fighter

2 ) Holyfield hits harder

3 ) Holyfield takes the better punch.

Skill wise Holyfield is better than anyone Johnson faced on film. He was 40 or older when losing on points to Byrd and Donald.

Johnson was better at infighting than outfighting on film. Holyfield would have his way on the outside. In both the Moran and Willard fights, Johnson was out pointed on the outside, and neither of these guys are in Holyfield league as a boxer. Johnson did have a good uppercut, but Holyfield has a pretty good inside game too and was dangerous on the counter.

 

They don't exist in the fantasy fight universe.

Either that or they do, but the drug testing program is infallible.

If we are comparing hypotheticals, then by definition all of the variables are known.

If you say that "Holyfield is roiding", then I say "either he isn't, of he is disqualified by default!"

 

I see what you did there.

 

Tough call. Jack could catch punches the way Willie Mays caught flyballs. He could see shots coming and pick them off though Holyfield was quicker than most heavyweights. He had the coordination of a smaller man.

I think Holy's combination punching may be the difference. Johnson may block one or two but some would get through.

Holyfield by decision in a tactical fight.

 

I gotcha but either you believe in Johnson or you don't and I do having studied him for over twenty years .. the films you are referring to are of an old Johnson. Jack was one of those fighters like a Byrd, a Hopkins , a Whitaker, a Mayweather, a Toney who controlled pace and nullified aggression . He was a defensive master , he was crafty and calculating , he was lightning fast, he was very strong and as importantly knew how to use that strength almost like in a Jiu Jitsu manner in a boxing ring. He had better stamina than Evander and was a much smarter fighter. Evander was a warrior without question but take him off the juice, like the man who fought Carlos DeLeon and I see Jack chopping him to pieces. With the juiced up warrior , who came right at him I still see it as a very interesting fight ..