Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Yea come on, I mean it’s cool that your liking all my posts but I don’t think your entire argument should be that louis loses because he came from an older era
     
  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's not. Based on the available footage, he looks too flat footed to be able to land solid shots on Evander, who ain't just gonna sit there like the stiffs from Louis's era. Evander will use lateral movement and counter Louis. Louis's slow stalking doesn't work against some as Evander. The fight with Billy Conn clearly shows the trouble Louis has with boxers that move well. Also, Evander has a much better chin.
     
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  3. Bah Lance

    Bah Lance Active Member banned Full Member

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    Evander has never won a fight on his bicycle and Louis would not be the first unless they tie his knees together, and cut off one of his arms.
     
  4. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Louis was green and not a champion yet when he fought Schmeling - an underrated ex-champ. Holyfield was in his prime when he was dropped, hurt & nearly knocked out by journeyman Bert Cooper. Do you think Louis in his prime would struggle with an ageing journeyman in Cooper?
     
  5. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    To be fair louis was dropped by guys who didn’t hit like cooper
     
  6. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Like who? Marciano? Walcott? Galento? Schmeling? All those guys hit just as hard or harder than Cooper
     
  7. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bert Cooper was 25 years old when he fought Holyfield, hardly "an ageing journeyman."
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Inexperience had absolutely nothingto do with the Schmeling loss. He lost because he spent his training camp bedding women and playing golf with celebrities.

    Louis from the Baer fight obliterates Schmeling.
     
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  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Definitely not, cooper may have been a low rank fighter but his power was devastating
     
  10. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Alright I exaggerated his age (forgot how young he was), but in terms of experience he was rugged & shopworn - already having 7 loses (5 in which he was stopped). He was a journeyman gate-keeper who gave Holyfield one of the toughest fights of his career.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    excuses.
     
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  12. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Doubt it, but hey that's just me. They were all above him in class though - with the exception of Galento who was about the same (maybe less idk).
     
  13. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield was dominating the fight, got caught, then dominates again and scores a tko
     
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  14. Showstopper97

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    Maybe you're right. But Schmeling may have still given him a tough fight or potentially beat him due to Joe over looking him & relying on power
     
  15. Showstopper97

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    He was dominating, but it was still a tough back & forth fight. Cooper gave Holyfield a tougher fight than Douglas, Tyson & Mercer did.