Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

well IMO Louis absolutely would 100% beat Lewis

In another 20-30 years, people will be saying the same things about how Lewis couldn't beat the heavyweights from 2040-50. Bias goes both ways.

 

How would Louis beat Lewis? Lewis has every physical advantage and is better technically, faster hands, faster feet, better chin contrary to popular belief, better defensively, how would Louis win? I don’t see any way, he could not back him up and sure as hell couldnt box him at range, whenever Louis would throw more than one punch, Lewis would just step back and make him fall short, hit him with the jab at will and would KO him early in the fight
Also I think right now boxing has evolved as far as it ever will

 

Jesus christ.

Faster hands? Have you ever seen Louis? Louis had some of the fastest hands in heavyweight history, his hands were twice as fast as Lewis.

Lets see Lewis throw 5-6 punch combinations in 2 seconds like Louis. Lets see Lewis throw a triple left hook like Louis did vs Baer.

Lewis's physical advantages hardly benefited him vs smaller fighters. A smaller past it Holyfield (Lewis own trainer said Holyfield was past it) took Lewis the distance twice, nearly beat him the second time around, and even hurt him badly with a left hook. If only Holyfield had the energry, he would have finished Lewis off. A 6'2 fat Mercer who was schooled by a 42 year old Holmes took Lewis the distance and arguably beat him. Of course Lewis never rematched him.

Neither McCall nor Rahman were big nor remotely the caliber of punchers that Louis was.

Lewis never faced a fast handed combination puncher like Louis. NEVER. Not Holyfield, and certainly not a shot Tyson.

When Louis would throw a 6 punch combination with handspeed that Lewis had never seen, Lewis would be knocked out.

Seriously, i can agree to disagree with people but i have never seen something so silly. Lewis did not have fast hands. Louis had the fastest pair of hands in heavyweight history along with Patterson, Ali and Tyson. Louis's handspeed was twice that of Lewis.

 

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I cannot believe anyone would say Lewis has faster hands than Louis. Lewis never dreamt the day he could do what Louis did at :40 seconds into that clip vs the iron chinned Max Baer.

We're talking about the greatest combination puncher in heavyweight history (Louis) who appearently had slower hands than Lewis according to the modern fans. Lol.

 

Lewis does not have faster hands but he beat far more dangerous fighters than Louis ever did. And he would win 4 out of 5 against Joe.

 

Look at the Tua fight, the combinations Lewis was throwing from the outside were very fast, faster than the straight punches of Louis, look at the Rahman KO rematch, how fast them two punches come in out of nowhere, covered the distance Within less than half a second, look at the Botha KO also, and Holyfield gave Lewis problems in the second fight because of his faster feet and better at leaping in with the left hook and counterpunching, Lewis beat him anyway, not to mention Holyfield was definitely taking some dodgy things, also Holyfield never ‘nearly beat’ Lewis

 

Absolutely not. I have seen most of Lewis's fights and his hands were never fast.

If you were to do a poll with videos, even in the general forum where people favour modern fighters, as to who had faster hands, Louis would win in a landslide.

Lewis was not throwing combinations were Tua, he was throwing jabs, the ocassional hard right, and lots of low power flurries to score points. When i am talking about handspeed, i am referring to the ability to throw a serious 5-6 punch power combination in 2 seconds. Lewis could never do that. Him throwing some low power flurries vs Tua isn't evidence of handspeed.

Louis triple left hook vs Baer is faster than anything Lewis could throw.

Sorry, this isn't even close. Louis's hands were much much faster than Lewis. No contest.

 

His hooks may have been, but Lewis’s straight punches were faster than Louis’s, the main thing was how would you see how Louis would beat Lewis? Louis does not have the fast feet needed for his dimensions to even give Lewis problems, Lewis would just keep it long and push him back behind the jab and start to hit him at will with it occasionally sneaking in the straight right hand like he did against Tua, except Louis would be the one on the back foot, but not being able to do anything whilst on the back foot and he would definitely not have Lewis on the back foot as Lewis is way bigger than him and physically stronger, I know Holyfield gave him issues, but Louis does not have the right attributes to go with his dimensions to trouble Lewis

 

Louis knocks Lewis out. Louis loses against Holyfield. Styles make fights

 

Bert Cooper. Alex Stewart. Old Holmes. Old Foreman.

All of the above are so flat footed they call Joe Louis twinkle toes. Yet they can call give Holyfield hard fights, and nearly beat him in one case?

I didn't bring it up. And for the most part, I agree.

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Holyfield vs Lewis is actually 1-0-1. The officials got the results right, but in the wrong fights.

Louis was much quicker than Lewis, but to say Lewis isn't fast is just as dishonest as saying Lewis is faster than Louis.

Louis' footwork, chin and defence continues to get underrated. It's strange, man. The guy defended his title 25 times, and you count the times he was in genuine trouble on one hand, yet people think these out-weigh all of his positives? He was never one punch KOed by someone like McCall, he was never one punch KOed by someone like Rahman.

 

Mercer and Mavrovic did get close. It is an interesting matchup. I think Lewis , a geniune Top 4-Top8 ATG, has become a little bit overrated head to head here.

 

I agree with this post, especialyl your take on the Lewis-Holyfield fights

 

Louis UD.