Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

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  1. Bah Lance

    Bah Lance Active Member banned Full Member

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    You too.
     
  2. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Really no point in debating with this guy, he’s wrong and that’s all there is to it
     
  3. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield slow.. that's totally wrong. Lance Bass Ackwards.
     
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  4. Bah Lance

    Bah Lance Active Member banned Full Member

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    It is totally wrong because I never said he was slow. The few guys he outspeeded like old Foreman, fat Douglas, and Bert Cooper were the slow ones.

    I find it absurd to suggest Holyfield was faster than Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, and Moorer, or that Round 8 combo you highlighted from a tired middle aged Holyfield was faster than anything Moorer threw in his career, but I'm not going to call you names.

    Speed in boxing can be hard to judge sometimes, there's lots of variance within individual punches and over the course of the fight. Evander always had better stamina than most of his opponents and tended to slow down less, usually becoming quicker than them as the fight progressed.

    But my conclusion is drawn from Evander's early round struggles against opponents noted for their fast hands. He can't beat these guys to the punch so he has to wait and time them, fight more patiently.

    Against slower opponents, Evander boxes very differently. He dances more, hits and runs, leads the exchanges...basically how you would expect a fighter to box with the speed advantage. Fat Douglas is how Evander would prefer to box a slower giant. He clearly tried this against Bowe in the first fight but was getting tagged too much, and had to brawl instead.

    Thank you for reading my posts regardless, it's been fun.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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  6. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield seems to be judged almost strictly on his merits after he was 30 yrs old. Douglas fight does. not. count! How about this then..

    37 yr old Louis that fought Marciano vs.
    37 yr old Holyfield that fought Lewis
     
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  7. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Not in a million years
     
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  8. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You got that right.

    Louis would step in to a left hook.
     
  9. Easyrhino

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    I'd DQ Holyfield from boxing based on what he has in common with Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds
     
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Jon Snow has spoken.
     
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  11. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    Holyfield in a late rounds tko in an absolute thriller
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Holyfield is my third favorite fighter, and even I know this is bull****.
     
  13. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    How is Holyfield not better than Louis?
     
  14. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What decade does this take place in? Does Louis get the advantages Holyfield has from nutrition, training, possibly "supplements"? In any case, i think Holyfield drops Louis early, then Louis stops Holyfield late in the fight.
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    He is..
    If you forget:
    Punching power
    Speed
    Skills
    Boxing Ability
    Ring IQ
    Jab