Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Power definitely goes to Louis, I’d say they’re even with speed since both were very quick heavyweights but Holyfield had much quicker feet.

    Boxing ability goes to Holyfield, his foot speed allowed him to be a much more diverse fighter while Louis was limited to slow stalking. Holyfield was also much better defensively.

    Ring IQ, yea you could give that to louis since Holyfield had a habit of gong into fights with some ridiculous game plans, but when Holyfield was focused his ring IQ was just as high as anyone’s.

    Jab, yea you could give it to Louis since his was heavier, but both had good jabs.

    Holyfield also had a much better chin and has wins over better opponents
     
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  2. Jimmy Elders

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    punching power - Louis
    Speed - Holyfield
    Skills - Holyfield
    Boxing ability- Holyfield
    Ring IQ - even
    Jab - Louis
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Louis' power, hand-speed, defence and ring IQ are easily higher than Holyfield's. It shouldn't even be up for debate. Holyfield has better foot-speed, a better chin, and was more agreeable to infighting. Another three things which shouldn't be up for debate. All-round skills is pretty close, but just in terms of technique and balance; weight transference and putting 'em together, it's Louis all the way. Holy has a better array of offensive counters, but Louis had a much better jab, ergo, he didn't need them.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    Louis KO or TKO.
    It would be a gruelling fight.
    Louis would have a fight on his hands but he would get Holyfield out of there eventually.
     
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  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, you got it wrong. Louis was too old to be this good ;)
     
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  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    People's image of Louis is so overly based on a shot to bits Louis.

    Prime Louis wasn't at all a plodder.
     
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  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah and it was evident every time he faced bigger opponent.
     
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  8. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    His foot speed was never even close to Holyfield’s level
     
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  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Neither fighter was ever off balance, and what makes Louis’ defense better than Holyfield’s?
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Far better opposition?? Surely ye jest!
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yes. Yes I do.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yes it does.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    Louis' balance is part of what let him throw such deadly combos. Holyfield's was good, but he couldn't do what Louis did in that regard. When he did, he ended up off balance (see Bowe I, when throwing the series of left hooks)
     
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  14. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I’d say Louis just had a punchers flow, probably the best in the sport, but it was extremely rare for Holyfield to be off balance. Also what makes Louis’ defense better than Holyfield’s?
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Results. Eye test. The fact that he got hit less?
     
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