Evander Holyfield vs Oleksandr Usyk at cruiserweight.

Yeah Usyk was better at cruiser.

 

Out of Usyk, Kov and GGG ? Oh, okay, Usyk has to be viewed higher, but it is mostly because of his amateur pedigree. I don´t understand why people act like the amateurs are so important, it isn´t.
We have more guys that were fantastic as amateurs that didn´t translate to the pros than the opposite, so whatever you did in the amateurs, stay there. 21 fights is still a very small snippet for such claims as that he is beating Evander Holyfield, and big things like that.
I mean, he is winning the poll against Evander Holyfield.

 

A lot of quality in those 21 fights though. Holyfield's cruiserweight resume isn't clearly better, if at all. Holyfield did way more at Heavyweight though, and in the last great Heavyweight era to top it off. At Heavyweight, Holyfield should be the run away choice going by resume alone.

 

Holy was no plodder at cruiser, or even in his early heavyweight days.

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Better mover. Much more nuanced skill. Better combination puncher. More powerful... etc, etc.

That 1-2 flurry stuff wouldn't have worked against a master counterpucher like Holyfield, and Usyk's jab isn't strong enough to keep him at bay.

 

There is no way in hell Usyk would ever stop Holyfield, if anything the only unlikely stoppage would come from Holyfield because Usyk is vulnerable to abdomen.

 

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This is a fantasy fight thread though, not who is greater at cruiser. CW is a weak nobody cares division so okay if you rank Usyk as the greater ever there...
If Usyk is winning a poll fantasy fight against a legit ATG it means that the guy is overrated right now. I read people saying he would beat Foreman the other day... maybe he is the GOAT then. I don´t know.
He isn´t though, in my post I explained why Holyfield would beat him, and the flaws I see on Usyk.

Tomorrow he will get exposed and people will be excusing it "ohhh he is not the same anymore" or whatever....
It is fine if you feel that he is more skilled than Holyfield and because of that he is better, and **** anybody else opinion, and **** resume then, but people don´t provide nothing when discussing Usyk here... they say some cliche stuff, just because he looks the part like all these eastern europeans. Then when Fury beats him "oh he is past it now"... oh c´mon... will you ?

 

Holyfield wasn't a dirty lowblow merchant - Usyks vulnerability to lowblows isn't relevant.

He'd be more likely to stop Usyk with a headbutt than a bodyshot.

And we'll have to agree to disagree, I definitely do think Usyk would've been capable of stopping Holy at cruiser.

 

Usyk has a slow right hook too, he can catch B guys like the one he koed with that right hook but Holyfield would see that coming and counter.

 

We can't comment on things that haven't happened yet. What if he beats Fury? What then? Will you give him his laurels? I don't think he will have a heavyweight resume better than Evander even after that, but it must count for something. Gassiev was a big body puncher, but Usyk washed him 12-0 at Cruiser. Evander only had 18 fights at Cruiser to Usyk's 16. We can only judge from what we have in front of us. Resume argument doesn't work at Cruiserweight.

 

Yes I will. I agree, we cannot comment in things that didn´t happen yet, and Usyk is still unproven as a pro fighter when compared with Holyfield. 21 fights is a small snip to put someone in the same thread with ATGs like Foreman or Holyfield.

And people have the nerve to call Devin Haney overrated, if I make a thread Pacquiao vs Haney there is not one soul here that will say he kos Pacquiao. Even though the kid is now with a good resume on his own.

 

If it is worth anything, I would pick Evander in a very close fight, if Cruiserweight wasn't specified. Cruiserweight isn't the deepest division but the other interstitial divisions aren't very deep either. How many historically top-3-in-their-division fighters are active right now? None, except Usyk. That is good enough for me to not consider him overrated.

He is a little bit overrated right now as a historical heavyweight but that's just the consequence of having a lot of posters with differing opinions; and, naturally, hype.

 

I don't understand why though ? Holyfield is one of the most durable fighters of all time Usyk has a modest KO record and isn't a bigger hitter. I'm baffled you think Usyk can stop Holyfield in all honesty.

 

An eight minute video studying a pawing jab and lazy left hand. Nice.

 

Usyk survives some scary moments early on but wears Evan Fields down and wins a UD.