Evander Holyfield vs Rocky Marciano 190lbs limit

Old Foreman was hurt against Cooney, Stewart also Lakusta almost knocked him out and no one was close to be as good as Marciano.

 

Old Foreman couldn't KO Qawi who was SMW/Lhw let alone Marciano.

 

It is relevant because you made him look bad because he lost 2 of 4 last fights but you didn't mention that he won 9 fights before that.

 

Nobody smaller than him is beating anything approaching a prime version of Holyfield. It wouldn't be an easy fight and would probably go to the cards, but I don't see how Marciano manages to either outbox him or knock him out.

 

Yeah and Ali pissed blood and couldn't hurt Chuvalo.

Young Foreman yes old Foreman nope, he couldn't rock Stewart, Schultz, Morrison and was almost knocked out by Ken Lakusta.

 

Briefly stunned and ended up stopping Lakusta in the same round and stopping Cooney in the very next round.

Alex Stewart had 100 percent KO ratio and was 6'3 with a 78 inch reach and weighed 227 pounds. Not really comparable to 5'10 185 pound 67 inch reach Marciano.

But yeah keep believing a small Cruiserweight with T-Rex arms is out slugging bigger stronger elite Heavyweights with 40-50 pound weight advantage. Even though it's never actually transpired in real time.

 

Who whe knocked that was good or atleast as good as Walcott, Charles or Joe Louis?

They said the same about Usyk vs Fury but it wasn't like that

 

Walcott, Charles, never weighed above 200 pounds and are considered Light Heavyweights/Small Cruiserweights in modern era. Not to mention having a considerable amount of mileage at the end of their careers.

The only real elite name Marciano beat above 200 pounds was Louis who was literally a shadow of what he once was.

Usyk is a Southpaw and a master boxer with some of the best movement in history not to mention being 6'3 78 inch reach and weighing 220+ pounds.

I'm not sure how that's relevant to a small Cruiserweight slugger with a 67 inch reach.

 

He was a journeyman, a guy who lost a third of the times he climbed between the ropes, who hung on until the division, depleted by a World War, had receded to such a level that he was able to shine. Bless him for perseverance but he just wasn't that good.

 

I was just comparing who the two fought in their 12th pro fights. You are evading that angle of debate and bringing up another, quite valid, angle. Rocky wasn't what we would deem as athletic in many regards. He was in others. He was strong and had good stamina. But he was slow and clumsy, too. And terribly small for the division.

 

You're thinking of the wrong poster I never said anything of the sort that's the other poster you was debating with. I never said he was bad I said he never weighed over 200 pounds and had alot of mileage and was at the end of his career.

And none of those opponents are revelant because they're not classed as Heavyweights in the modern era.

You can't say well "Marciano beat a 180s pounds Walcott, Charles, so that means he replicates doing that against bigger stronger Heavyweights with considerable reach, height, weight advantage"

That doesn't make any logical sense.

 

Qawi was 222lbs for their fight.

 

Qawi had 1 fight scaling under `170lbs, that was in 1978, 10 years before he fought Foreman.
Why do you keep making these inaccurate statements?

 

It was also Foreman's first notable opponent for 10 years and he weighed 235 pounds. Foreman noted that he felt too weak at that weight, hence that's why he packed on more mass weighing 250+ pounds on average for most of his most notable fights in his 2nd career after the Qawi fight.

 

Marciano at cruiser but it's a toss up to me