Evander Holyfield vs Tommy Loughran

The comparison is more 1 of technique, both very straight up/stiff stances with low hands, mastering range with the jab, countering on the way in, avoiding punches by leaning back. But Vitali is 1 of the best ring generals, he controls everything. Granted Loughran has better footwork. Vitali isn't much of an infighter but Loughran isn't either. Vitali counter punches everyone pretty much, Lewis included, with his right and has more confidence in it than Loughran did

 

Sure sure, yeah i have no idea why people say the 'low hands no guard no defense' would not work type thing when we have tons of fighters doing it on the world level, and always will.

Vitali is a good ring general and counterpuncher, but that has as much to do with size and relative skill of competition. I mean, it it harder to counter shannon briggs or jack sharkey, you know? Loughran is a better infighter, you can see that when he gets into a clinch he's wrestling for leverage well. The Klits basically use it as a time saving measure(emmanuel steward style). Dunno what you mean by confidence though it's easy to be 'confident' when you're huge and fighting the kind of guys vitali does barring a few exceptions

 

Tunney absolutely picked Loughran up at the right time. You might be able to say the same about Greb and Tunney too.

 

Naseem Hamed in some ways is technically more profecient than Tommy Loughran, I'm not even trolling with that statement either, technically RJJ is allot more sound than Loughran, the only technical strength Loughran has over Jones is his use of the jab and you coudl argue footwork

 

10 a penny but I doubt you've watched 10 of them

 

Given I asked first it would be only good manners for you to give your reply. Bit I've seen Carnera, Sharkey (the KO fight), Walker, Braddock (I think Bradock improved after this).

 

1. Yes I can actually, I expect a boxer to be able to both be able to throw a jab andfight inside, crazy I know

2. I haven't seen them, Tunney was faster too, but Tunney and Greb beat him, so there you go

3. It's not a certain but's that was 1 fight and I have a feeling the home town press made this fight closer than what it was. Tunney looks so much better on film

4. So your picking Loughran to beat 2 fighters you've never seen fight in Flowers and Norfolk based on nothing other than your a Loughran fan

5. Most Top HWs are P4P much better than people think on this forum, its no insult, Vitali is very good, so is Loughran

6. An awful lot of similarities

7. I will have to read more into this granted

8. Its hard to trust the press, I don't believe much of what I read today, the writers of the time didn't necessarily have a clude about boxing ergo our problem. Some thought Tunney won those fights some thought Greb did. And it sounds like they were close

9. There's nothing pedantic here, you claim Loughran won the first half of the fight when he only won the first 3 rounds before being steamrolled. That's very different

10. The same empty shell Loughran couldn't completely get the better of? Greb said Tunney got too strong for him, he didnt say he was past it neither was he old

11. Maybe he did beat up Loughran, we only have the word of a perhaps biased Loughran hometown papers

12. Well Tunney was injured for 1, he claimed to be headbutted, never would Greb dominate Tunney such a way again, it's fair to say this wasn't Tunney at his best either way. Loughran won a few more rounds that's his highlight

13. Well Tunney beat him and so did Greb, plenty of fighters are bitter