Evander Holyfield vs Tommy Loughran

I'd recomend rewatching his Cruser/Pre Title and early HW title career, he is so much faster, more aggressive, and he is such a 'value for money' fighter you can't not enjoy the fights (just don't boxrec the ending if you don't know it )

The DeLeon fight is a good start

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(a nice 1988 Tyson interview in between rounds )

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Hamed is an awful lot better than made out, technically he isn't sound, but he has low hands as he uses reflexes, jab and counter punching as his defense. His recoils better than Loughran, has better punching technique, has better head movement/radar technique. His movement/footwork is lazier though

He'd beat Saddler, Nelson and Pacquaio at 126 though

 

pre-hw holy is my favorite tbh

 

Greb was thoroughly in cyclops company by the time his tunney series was finishing off, yes?

 

janitor you dont watch film do you?

 

Thanks for the reply. I figured you'd get around to answering that if I was patient.

So far as I can determine, Greb was decked at least eight times in his career, possibly a ninth time in one of his later matches against Tunney. (A photograph shows him on the floor, but whether it was due to a punch or slip is not something I've been able to determine.)

Soldier Jones got Harry on the deck three times (1X on 1921-04-11, and 2X on 1923-11-05, where he really hurt Greb). Burt's old buddy Soldier Bartfield did it twice (catching Greb off balance with a light punch for no count on 1918-05-29, then again with a right to the body on 1918-07-16), with Jamieson (1920-08-28), Norfolk (1921-08-29), and Joe Chip (1913-11-29, the only time Harry was ever punched out) accounting for the other recorded knockdowns. Not bad for about 300 bouts. Only Joe Chip got the better of him in the seven different bouts where he got decked.

Of course Tunney was only floored that one time, but it probably was the most famous knockdown in history prior to the FOTC.

 

Generally you do things that don't make a lot of sense sometimes when you're 5 miles down ***** avenue.

 

It was a hard, tight cross counter over a jab. weird, because it looks like he stops and thinks about it for a second. There's nothing to indicate real damage except that Tunney's legs stop. Maybe if you could see tunney's expression or where exactly the right hand landed I could say more. That leaping patterson-type left hook he opened up the barrage trapped him there though, definitely hurt him. Gene's hesitancy and the mauler smelling blood kinda guaranteed that one.

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I don't really believe Tunney when he says that his head was clear or whatever when he was on the ground. Those punches were moving his head around quite a bit. He does get up and away quickly though, so maybe.

Seems like evidence of a really good chin to me, i guess.