Even Calzaghe fanatics must now admit him or Hopkins isn't even a debate anymore?

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  1. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    Calzaghe = better fighter. He beat Hopkins. Ergo he is a better fighter. It's not difficult to understand, and the fact that there are daily threads trying to discredit him is a testament to his greatness.:deal

    The argument that these threads are made in response to Calzaghe nuthuggers doesn't wash.:nono

    Rarely do I read threads made by Calzaghe fans trying to rejoice his achievements. However, daily I read hate-filled vitriolic threads from shemale-deepthroaters with despicable Glass Jaws and laughable vCash totals.:lol::rofl:patsch:dead

    It's a kind of Freudian repressed admiration if you like. :deal
     
    46and0, Dec 21, 2010
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  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he isn't and wasn't elite. But the guy was a solid fighter when Calzaghe beat him. A good B level guy, and Calzaghe's best win IMO.
     
    des3995, Dec 21, 2010
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  3. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you're right. but this debate keeps coming up because calzaghe was an excellent fighter. and he really was.
    but he was an excellent fighter who really epitomises what is wrong with boxing because he played the averages and never fought the best of his era.

    he'll never be a 'great' fighter, he'll always be a 'what if'.
     
    HoldMyBeer, Dec 21, 2010
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  4. RobertV77

    RobertV77 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe has two or three quality wins in his entire career. He didn't deserve the decision in the Hopkins fight and he doesn't deserve consideration in this discussion.
     
    RobertV77, Dec 21, 2010
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  5. Bognashavin

    Bognashavin Guest

    I don't think it is fair to factor in fights Joe never had, you can only fairly base your assessment on what did happen. "If Id picked the right numbers I would have won the lottery"
    I also think he too was passed past his best form by the time he fought Bernard, but in the end debating what ifs ignores the results/achievements.
    Another factor is Hopkins carries on like a douche, see the "White boy" comment as one example, so despite being a very very good fighter true greatness also stems from how he carries himself. Ok Joe has been caught out snorting but I don't have any issue with people using recreational drugs.
    I'm sure there is enough there for others to disagree with, but that's my 2c.
     
    Bognashavin, Dec 21, 2010
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  6. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    never was never will be up for serious debate , b-hop is infenatly better

    i also had him beating joe but i only watched it live , my eyes wont let me watch that fight again
     
    hagman1989, Dec 21, 2010
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  7. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They both had/have long and respectable careers. It really boils down to who you think won the fight between Calz. and Hopkins. That's where the rubber meets the road.
     
    sthomas, Dec 21, 2010
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  8. the_baller

    the_baller Guest

    So by your logic Buster Douglas legacy outshines Mike Tyson's?:-(
     
    the_baller, Dec 21, 2010
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  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No mention of the fact Hopkins has drawn/lost fighters to fighter both inferior and superior to the likes of Mikkel Kessler.

    Not just old Hopkins, but the younger Hopkins drew one particular fight against very limited opposition. He long to a one handed (yes Jones was injured in that fight) Roy Jones Junior.

    This along with the Taylor fights damages his legacy to the point he no longer deserves to even be mentioned alongside Joe Calzaghe, an undefeated fighter, who could perhaps defeat anyone in history at 160-175.
     
    China_hand_Joe, Dec 22, 2010
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