Even if GGG beats Canelo, he wouldnt be a PPV draw

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  1. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Jealousy gets you nowhere LOL Gennady Golovkin is a top P4P fighter
    The REAL World Middleweight Champion PPV means nothing
     
  2. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a big GGG fan he's one of my favorite fighters. Just having a boxing economics discussion
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  3. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    U are right but the GGG train is just getting started..people think his getting old but his actually getting stronger..His got a set of new i watch adds coming out next year as well as nike adds also..by the time September comes he will be on a few front covers as well as mainstream news channels.. GGG jumbo jet has landed and the casuals are going to lap up this "smiling assassin"..the narrative after he beats canelo is good guy vs bad guy and I'll let u guess the rest.
     
  4. hankhowdy1

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    I don't know, if someone is a PPV star they really don't have to have a super fight every time to fight to justify being on PPV.
     
  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe big name opponents are sole reason to becoming PPV opponents. From what I've seen, PPV s****om is a lot more complicated than that. I think a combination of big name opponent + style (fighting/personality) + general sports media support is what launches someone into that level of s****om. And I think the MAIN one is general sports media support.

    With ESPN really getting behind him, an upcoming Jordan deal (supposedly), commercials... I think his chances are actually pretty good. Credit to him, his fighting style makes it very easy for these big name media outlets to get behind.
     
  6. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG-Lemiuex should tell you that style/media doesn't matter if your not fighting anyone credible, the reason Mayweather and Pacquiao sold as much was not just media hype or style more often then not it was an easy sale of there opponent.
    It no matter how hard you hype a fight people don't buy fights vs tomato cans.
     
  7. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Casual fans will buy regardless of the opponent because there's a 100% chance they won't even know who the opponent is and just care for the main fighter and/or fall into the media hype. Catching the attention of casuals starts with your style and most important, the media.

    Hardcores don't make fighters PPV stars. Casuals do.

    A great example is Ronda Rousey. She fought absolute nobodies, but is (was??) an icon due to the casual fan's sport media rallying behind her and showing off her extremely exciting fighting style which was always getting the KO. The hype made her. Hype comes from the big sport media outlet who reach the biggest casual audience.

    The general sports media doesn't choose anyone though. They'll rally behind those who they think can draw in views, attention. Like, a small dude destroying bigger opponents. Or an extremely controversial, undefeated trash talker... and maybe, an undefeated MW destroyer who knocks out every single opponent and is on a 21 KO streak. The person has to have a good storyline to sell.

    A big name opponent is good because it is another avenue to reach casuals since it'll generally get a lot of hype from the general sports media. It isn't completely necessary though...
     
  8. ElCyclon

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    GGG is more exciting than Pac and Floyd but is not as fortunate as them to have benefited from the remnants of the DLH legacy. But all's not lost, he can still benefit from the Canelo fight and try build on that by calling for a Ward fight.
     
  9. abuffy

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    If Floyd is still in the fight game, GGG should call out him. That's the type of stunt sports media would love to talk about. Similar to Rousey vs Floyd thing. They would love to get a new Floyd archenemy. GGG would get a ton of attention of that.
     
  10. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MMA is a different sport and has been craving a breakout star for years, Ronda had the right combination of things at the right time and capitalized on it.

    In boxing who you fight is vastly more important look at the highest grossing fights of all time which of those involve bad match ups on paper, look at all the biggest boxing stars ever basically all got that way by beating the best and stayed that way by beating the best.

    A good storyline and all that is cool but looking even at Mayweather-Berto/Pacquiao-Rios compared to other fights, nobody bought them as credible so they tanked.

    I think in today's era it's even more important with everything being so connected it's very easy for a casual to learn about a fighter with sites like Boxrec etc...

    Another thing as well one good win doesn't cut it either it takes consistency, you have to constantly fight the best not just the best you try to get.

    It's like a blockbuster movie if a movies looks terrible your not going to go see it just because an actor/actress you like is in it, but if it looks great you make it a priority if you follow me.
     
  11. ElCyclon

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    Fu ck off you certifiable moron, i'm not even a ward fan:lol:

    GGG(whom I am a fan of) would need to call Ward after Canelo because he is the only name fighter immediately north of 160. THe fact that you can't get that through your thick block-head says all that needs to be said about you.

    And unlike you, I do expect GGG to challenge himself by moving up and dare to be great.:deal
     
  12. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You cares...He would be the Champ.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    It's true. Beating Canelo may never help GGG become the next generation's PPV superstar. First off, I maintain the ultimate successor to Floyd-Pac will only command a fraction of the drawing power those two celebrated for a variety of different reasons.

    That said, it could well be that a win over Canelo doesn't do a whole lot to catapult GGG into that next tier. But me personally? I think he has a far better chance elevating his overall status with a win over Canelo than without.

    As abuffy mentioned, it takes more than just beating a "name" - there are many factors to be considered, and I believe there is a lot of luck involved.

    Guys like Mosley and Hopkins defeated the Cash Cow that was De La Hoya, but neither of them was ever able to really capitalize off of those wins. Mayweather and Pacquiao, on the other hand, managed to carry that momentum straight to the superstar stratosphere.

    It's a tough thing to predict.

    So while a win over Canelo may not propel Golovkin upwards, I believe it's the one fight out there that has the greatest potential of maybe affording him that chance. And at worse, it can't hurt his efforts.

    Most boxers never reach such levels of success, and I think Floyd and Pac were largely the product of circumstance and luck.
     
  14. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd and Pac also moved up in weight to challenge themselves and fought against bigger names, if Golovkin moved up in weight I think he would create a real buzz and more people would tune in to see him genuinely tested.
     
  15. Payback87

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    I completely agree that Golovkin is stuck somehow and will never be a star.

    160lbs and 168lbs divisons are very weak right now.He needed a big win @160 vs like prime Sergio Martinez or even better wins at [against bigger guys] 168 like Froch,Kessler or Ward.All 3 of them are retired now and past prime,Ward moving up to 175lbs and is inactive for years and fighting bums.

    The hot divions currently around Golovkin are 147 and 175...and somehow i dont see him moving up to 175 anytime soon if ever.Hes average sized MW after all.

    Beating Canelo at 154 or 160 or catchweight will do nothing for Golovkin right now,after all Floyd Mayweather already won easily vs Canelo while being the smaller man in the ring.

    What im trying to say basically is that if Golovkin thought for himself that hes so good and if his coach/team/promoters thought that hes so GOOD,they had to make sure he enters the ring against inactive,rusty Ward at 168 or against Froch while being past prime at 168 or washed up but still tough warrior Kessler at 168.

    He can still move up and fight DeGale at 168 i guess but this guy is mediocre domestic fighter that somehow got lucky because 168lbs is so weak divison right now and won vs way past it inactive Dirrell barely and same thing against past it Bute that failed at 175lbs and came down and failed to impress again.

    Who else ? Abraham has zero good wins at 168lbs and is milking some title in Germany,Jack is again mediocre titlist at 168lb that got lucky due to division status right now.