Even though Pac beat Oscar, he is still too small for 140

I really didn't see it. I thought that Pac looked bigger than Diaz. Pac actually has pretty big, thick bone structure. Look at the size of his skull. He has a head the size of David Tua. He has thick legs, broad shoulders, and thick shoulders, and arms. I think that Pac is looking better in the 140's than he has EVER looked.

 

at 140, he should be fine

plus, i'll pick pac over hatton

 

He is an average JWW as size.
And he can't make 130 anymore,he looked weak and killed himself to make it for Marquez.

 

It's good to see the hysteria of Pacquiao's greatest achievement finally disappearing.

Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world at 130 and 126, but I think there is considerable doubt in the other weight classes.

At 135, I believe he is still neck and neck with Juan Manuel Marquez, who effectively has the best win at the weight between the two. I think if it was up to me, we would have Pacquiao vs Marquez at 135, and the winner of that would determine who the best Lightweight in the world is. Some people may say I'm disregarding Diaz and Campbell, but I'm just of the opinion that Marquez is the best, he is the ring champ.

At 140, Manny Pacquiao is being picked to beat all of these established champions, and we forget that he hasn't ever fought at the weight before. Just because you're effective at 135, does not mean you can easily make the transition. We've seen that with plenty of fighters in the past. I would pick Pacquiao to beat Holt, but I think he should stay away from Hatton and Torres. Especially Torres, who wobbles every single fighter he meets in the ring, and has only lost legitimately to Cotto. I argue that the headbutt played a major factor in his undoing in the Holt rematch. Hatton is too physically imposing, and Torres hits far to hard.

At 147, I don't want to discuss this that much. Everybody knows where I stand, I don't think Pacquiao can be competitive with any of the elite Welterweights. Margarito is too big, to much stamina, too much work rate, and has the size to be able to force the fight into his kind of fight. Cotto is one of the best boxer punchers in the game, and I think he does everything Manny does, but better. He hits too hard, and could counter Pacquiao on the outside. As for Clottey, his defense is class, and he will just pot shot Manny for 12 rounds.

This is not slagging Manny off. He is an unbelievable fighter, but I have not seen evidence that he can take shots at 135, let alone 140 or beyond. in order to be the best at those weights, he'll have to take shots from some of the hardest punchers in the game. Most if not all of the elites at those weights will have size advantages, reach advantages, and although we saw Manny overcome that against an old shop worn fighter, I don't see it happening to more fresh opposition. Say what you like about Manny, he may well be a top 50 ATG, but he will be entering 147 and 140 at his own peril. :good

 

How was he ever the best fighter at 135? Marquez beat the Ring champ, not Manny, who beat on a punch bag until he finally collapsed. You add insult to injury by saying, "by a long shot". Marquez has gone neck and neck with Pacquiao twice, and has the best win at 135. As it stands, he's a better Lightweight than Manny Pacquiao. :good

Maybe 140? I know he's popular, but you have to earn your achievements. Pacquiao has never fought at 140, so how can he maybe be the best in the world at that weight?

 

He might be too small if he's going to try and wrestle guys around the ring. I've never seen anybody get close enough to do that for a long time. This is why Pacquiao has been a phenomenon as far as transversing weights...you can be stronger but just try and pin him down and use that advantage.

Everytime Pacquiao fights stronger but slower men his speed is just emphasised and he always carries enough power accumatively and his skill and defensive movement never stops improving.

I don't see strength or size as a relevant factor unless it gets to ridiculous levels because its useless having that unless you can use it and I don't see anybody capable. I'd be more worried if there was an excellent counterpuncher, I'm not worried about size.

 

That is another point. Pacquiao's power? He had to hit Diaz about 500 times before he was finally flattened. Even in previous weight classes, it was Barrera's corner that stopped the fight, mainly because Pacquiao could not finish him. Marquez got up off the canvas 3 times, to dominate a fight that he was most surely going to lose. Pacquiao gets a lot of his knockdowns from speed, and he gets a lot of his knockouts from accumulation. He was never a huge hitter, and I doubt his power has carried up to 140.

 

The last time a fighter got close enough to Pacquiao to out land him, was in the Marquez fight which was earlier this year. Since then, he has only fough two fights, and against punching bags. Let's be real here. He wasn't given a gift against Marquez, either one of them could have won, but Diaz and Oscar were stepdowns from the elite competition he was fighting in Barrera, Marquez, and arguably Morales.

Manny is not very elusive, but his last two fights paint that picture. As soon as he steps up to fight either Hatton, or go back down to 135 and fight a match with Marquez for the third time, his elusiveness disappears.

 

Close enough to land him? This is exactly what I was saying. I would be more concerned for Pacquiao at 140 if there was an excellent defensively sound counterpuncher that can time him and judge distance. Or if he fought Marquez again, as you say, as he is capable of that as we know.

Being "big" or strong was nothing to do with his struggles against Marquez and I don't see it being a problem for him at 140.

 

Well that's where we argue. I thought their first fight clearly showed Marquez was the superior fight of the two, and the second fight only cemented the notion, as far as I'm concerned.

The real issue is that they both have one fight at 135, and I rate Marquez's win far more than Diaz win. Diaz was always B level at best, and went life and death with the worst verison of Morales the world has ever seen. Casamayor was once one of the best fighters in the world, and an established champion at Lightweight. I rate Marquez's win better for that reason, and also the manner in which he won. Casamayor isn't used to getting hit, but not only was he hit, he was knocked out. Diaz is used to getting hit, and had to be hit over 500 times to be stopped.

I think if Casamayor and Diaz had fought before those two fights, Casamayor would have won.

 

Absolutely. Pacquiao is awesome, but his power is not.