every thing Rocky can do Jack can do better

so do you really think he has a chance? or not?

well I certainly respect your oppinion and that of the many boxing writers:bbb
especially since you have seen marciano fight with your own eyes, but I think marciano was a hell of a fighter ( im sure you agree) who may be the one doing the crowding on dempsey and smashing him up with two fisted aggression.

 

But that´s the thing there is no chain upwards. Boxing changed because the rules changed. The fighters adepted to knew rules. What we know see as a lack of skill like the often absent combinations made sense in a fight over 20+ rounds because they cost energy and the chances you are injurying yourself are higher. There are plenty of examples like that. It´s not evolution, it´s adepting to new rules.

Yes, Rocky is the harder puncher, Dempsey is the more devestating one though. Dempsey´s combinations are more lethal than Marciano´s Suzie Q.

 

I can agree that dempsey's attacks were more devistating because of his speed and agression.

this thread was about who does what better.

Rocky hit harder, had a better chin, better stamina and I think attacked the body more than dempsey.

do you agree mr bodhi:think:good

 

I think Rocky may have had a better chin and Rocky was a smarter fighter ... Dempsey got nailed and saw red and against murderous punchers like a Louis or a Foreman that could spell disaster ... Marciano was pretty smart in knowing what he could do , what he could not do and how to manage the process ..

 

It's certainly an over used phrase. Marciano certainly possessed the better conditioning, and was also certainly more durable. Marciano also had more power in his right.

Dempsey was certainly faster but that's the only significant advantage he possessed over Marciano.

They have very different styles though, they get unfairly grouped together sometimes because they are the two greatest white heavyweights.

 

Whats really interesting, it what style Dempsey would fight Rocky with. We all know hes stylistically very versatile. Something tells me Dempsey might try to box Marciano instead of fight him

 

but 21 years later...


Back in October of 1974, many respected boxing historians and ex-world champions said that they believed that George Foreman was the strongest and hardest punching heavyweight champion in boxing history – something that is endorsed by many even to this day. Former heavyweight greats Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis, who both knew a thing or two about punching, agreed that Foreman was the most powerful heavyweight they had ever seen

 

that is not the point.

the point was dempsey said marciano hit harder than him.

the thread starters statement was everything rocky can do dempsey can do better- well it seems that dempsey dissagrees.

combatesdeboxeo, How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?

 

You can not test one punch power scientifically...even if you did it's meaningless.
In baseball for example, they have the home run derby contest. Does the best player always win ? Hardly. Same as boxing. It is the timing,that counts...
For starters, who is to say that Marciano's right hand that kod, Walcott in the 13th rd
was any harder than-
Dempsey's left hook which dropped Jess Willard like a sack in the First rd in 1917 was
not as hard as Marciano"s right ? Willard 50 pounds heavier than Walcottr was never
floored before..NEVER.
What about Joe Louis's Devastating right cross, which drove Paolino Uzcudun's teeth
through his lips and flattened Uzcudun, the Chuvalo of his time..
Marciano almost always threw so many punches landing wherever, that eventually kod his opponents..accumlitive effect...
One last point, Ray Robinson fought many men who hit harder than he did, but Ray usually got there first...And so would Dempsey,and i might add Joe Louis, get there first.

 

Not going to knock one all-timer to build up another. Both were great, great champs. I think Dempsey was the better fighter, but nobdy is that much better than Marciano

 

When did being able to do everything better than marcinao ever make ANYONE beter than marciano?

ezzard charles could do everything better than marcinao when he fought him.
Moore could do everything better than marciano when he fought him.
Walcott could do everything better than marciano when he fought him.

Dempsey is a superb ATG but so is marciano. sometimes you get fighters who don’t do anything better than anyone but they just keep getting the right results. marciano quite literally always delivered the right results.

 

A bit over the top on your points ... Neither Charles, Moore nor Walcott hit nearly as hard as Marciano, were as well conditioned, took as good a punch or had younger, fresher legs. Rocky did not just win by will .. each of those fighters had as much heart as Rocky. He was simply better when they fought.

 

Ultimately, the premise of this thread is silly, and I don't see why we are debating it.

It is like saying "Tyson did everything that Frazier did better".

 

exactly. and yet they were both great.

 

they could all box better, move better, if you list each punch in their repertoire, the variety and options available in a fight situation then Walcott, Moore and Charles had more depth and scope than marciano. Their assets out shone marciano. Also each was a genuine world class knockout puncher. That’s what I meant.