"Every win for Hopkins does not become a win for Calzaghe" WRONG!

Why are the fab four revered? BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL GREAT FOR FACING EACH OTHER AND OTHER GREAT FIGHTERS. Why is RJJ hated? BECAUSE OF LACK OF OPPOSITION.

How do you become a great fighter? There is no Ali without Frazier, and Frazier without Ali. Sonny Liston PROVED Ali was great, just like Pavlik played his part in PROVING Hopkins was STILL a force when he met Calzaghe.

Face it, every win for Hopkins IS a win for Calzaghe. Joe did not beat a washed up, senior citizen. He met a dangerous fighter in his prime-- and looked ok. It's hard to look great against Bernard.

Whether or not Calzaghe won is upto the viewer. But to say he struggled early in the fight is the truth-- he was in there with a LEGEND and not the bums people claim he fights.

 

:rofl

 

Stopped reading there

 

So as the lost of Calzaghe to RJJ is another lost of Hopkins?

 

That's not necassarily true. Styles make fights so because Joe beat Hopkins you can't say that Joe would beat everyone who Hopkins goes on to beat.

However with the B-Hop - Pavlik fight there is some truth to what i believe you are trying to say. What we can take from this past saturday's fight is that Joe's win over Hopkins should be seen in a more imressive light and a fight between Joe and Pavlik is pretty pointless now as it is obvious, to me atleast, that Joe would beat Pavlik quite handily.

Another point is that, although Bernard looked great agaisnt Pavlik, he is not in his prime. Bernard is not as shot as most thought after the Calzaghe fight but he is still post prime.

The fight last weekend says more about Pavliks need to improve his skills than it does about Hopkins being a prime fighter.

 

exactlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:deal

 

Some things I disagree with the OP on...However, he is absolutely right in his assesment that every win for hopkins from here on out is a win for calzaghe (assuming you believe calzaghe won which I do). Personally, I think Calzaghe's biggest win was Hopkins win over Pavlik.

 

Styles make fights that's why Calzaghe was able to win close and Hopkins win big on Saturday. Not every Hopkins win will be a win for Calzaghe (after all it wasn't Joe who beat Kelly), but at least the stupid comments are getting turned against posters who say Hopkins is shot, slow, doesn't have the stamina, punch output anymore etc. He just proved the opposite. But Calzaghe did not win the fight. It was Hopkins.

 

Does it?? Or did Bernard just throw very few punches when he fought Calzaghe?

As he has on many occasions throughout his career.

 

Yeah, Hopkins just decided not to do anything against Calzaghe. It was absolutely nothing to do with what Calzaghe was doing, Hopkins decided he wanted to lose the fight.

:-(

 

Only saw the highlights so far but to me it looked like Pavlik was scared to hit Hopkins. A little too much respect maybe. I dunno, he just didn't look right. He wasn't throwing many punches and his defence was as non-existant as always. Big respect to B-Hop tho. He showed true heart to come back from the Calzaghe fight (which was close but i still think he lost) and put on a display like that. I personally cant stand B-Hop but this win has made a real improvement to his current impressive legacy.

 

Hopkins has a HISTORY of sparse activity. You're goddamn right it had nothing to do with Calzaghe. A ****ing laymen could see that. You've got no basis whatsoever to say that it did. Go ahead and do it anyway though.

 

It's sparse if you make it sparse. If you stand there like a ****ing oak tree and plod around like Pavlik its easy to throw a lot of punches. Show him some angles, some speed, something unorthodox and its a different game. That puts pressure on him and hence tires him.

Taylor and Calzaghe showed him speed, and he was actually worried about whats coming back.

 

In the case of Calzaghe; unorthodox; yes. Angles; no, not really - Joe was just trying to get at him any way possible. Speed; ok, but that's not much. I'm 90% on Hopkins being Hopkins and not throwing enough, as usual, and 10% on whatever Calzaghe might have done. You may stick with whatever you wish.

 

Yeah, whatever. Hopkins just decided not to throw anything. It's pretty illogical. Why would a smart guy like Hopkins just do that for no reason and risk his chances?

There are two people in a boxing ring you know, it isn't all down to one guy. They can both affect what the other does.