Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Who_Necks, Mar 28, 2021.
This is were I'm at with it too. I'm sick of being told that he's this world class heavyweight that's being swerved by the top heavyweights. Of course he's a handful, he's roided to the gills, 6 foot tall and 18 stone but I have my own eyes and can see for myself that the hype behind him is not justified. I wish I could just sit back and enjoy him for what he is, he's proper entertaining to watch as he's so vulnerable and poor technically but he swings for the trees but part of me wants to see Sky and Eddie with egg on their faces again.
Fury boxes the socks off him but I'd love to see it. Joshua toys with him and starches him whenever he wants. Wilder brutally knocks him out. Joyce knocks him out. Usyk beats him. Ruiz beats him. He's fringe top 10 and that's a great achievement but please stop telling me he's world class ffs.
I don't really get why anyone thinks that Whyte batters Wilder. Whyte has proven that he isn't an overly skilled boxer, he's messy and awkward but he'll get caught by Wilder at some point and that will be it.
Thanks for the detailed response. I think the issue is that you don't recognise Wilder as a good fighter. I think it's fairly unanimous that he's unorthodox - but his power is absurd and dangerous. Surely even you can concede on that.
To handle Wilder as Fury did takes exceptional skill. We've discussed exactly this before, but to succeed as he did you need top ring IQ, great movement and footwork and a good plan of action. Fury demonstrated all of that particularly in Wilder 2.
I totally disagree about Whyte. Whyte doesn't have the same level of power as Wilder. He's obviously strong and powerful - what heavyweight isn't. His hooks are dangerous too. But it isn't Deontay Wilder's level.
I think Chisora 2 showed what Fury would do to Whyte. If they fought my prediction is a very similar result.
I wonder that myself. Whyte's style has changed loads to his credit. He's more patient and invites pressure so he can try and land...it's not like he bum rushes opponents. If he fought Wilder you would see a very cautious version of Whyte who would be looking to make Wilder miss and then counter. He's not going to do what Fury and Ortiz did and walk Wilder down. He's no fool, despite the talk he knows what he's good at and what he's not good at, and applying pressure on the front foot is something he's hopeless at imo. He hasn't got the ring IQ to close an opponent down and look for openings. He invites his opponent to throw hooks and he throws hooks with them.
Whyte may never win the World Heavyweight Title and yes he may only be a fringe contender, but the fact remains that he is one the top 5-10 biggest draws in world boxing. How many other fighters are currently generating 200,000 PPV buys against random top 10 ranked opponents ?
Matchroom need to have PPV shows and stars like AJ and Dillian Whyte to subsidise all the shows that lose money,
Without PPV stars like AJ and Dillian Whyte, Hearn and Matchroom would be in exactly the same position as Warren and Queenbury.
Matchroom boxing turned over £80 million in 2019 and generated £9.8 million in profit and considering they take 15-20 % from AJ shows, it highlights without PPV the company would be running at close to breakeven or possibly at a loss based on the current business model.
Matchrooms 2019 accounts run from 1st July 2018 until 30th June 2019, during that period they put on the following PPV shows :
28 July 2018: Dillian Whyte vs. Joseph Parker – 474,000
22 September 2018: Anthony Joshua vs. Alexander Povetkin – 1,247,000
10 November 2018: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
22 December 2018: Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000
1 June 2019: Anthony Joshua vs. Andy Ruiz Jr. – 403,000
With 3,165,000 buys in one year, and a regular TV contract with both DAZN and Sky, Matchroom still only has a 10 % profit margin and based on Matchroom losing circa £5 million on the Lomachenko v Campbell card, it is only 2-3 loss making shows away from having the same cashflow and profitability problems as Warren.
Boxing is not only a brutal sport to participate in, but also to make money in.
That is a worrying concern that the Furys have stated they don't care who Tyson fights in hsi final 2 fights as theyare viewing it strictly as business rather than legacy as Tyson doesn't care about it anymore.
Hopefully Fury fights one or two the above names mentioned as proven top fighters rather than cherry picked soft touches for last two remainding fights to prove he isnt doing a "David Haye" like return.
Sparked out cold by a shorter-armed old man, knocked down and almost out by Parker, knocked down by Rivas, destroyed by Joshua inside 7 rounds.
Not exactly difficult to land on.
Yeah, I can't imagine anyone actually betting anything on him versus Wilder.
One of my mates yesterday said he'd only give Wilder a punchers chance v Whyte ffs.
Ruiz lost to Parker and Whyte has a win over Parker even if he was hanging on for dear life.
Whyte has beaten just about everyone put in front of him. He's a decent fight has a good dig but is a bit on the chinny side.
He doesn't beat Fury or AJ, He could beat Wilder if Wilder is a bit gun shy after his battering off Fury but the likely bet is Wilder lands a windmill and leave Whyte wrecked in a heap.
Ruiz who knows what he will be like post weight loss. Guys that loose a lot normally don't do so well after they drop it. Ruiz looks to have taken his time and done the weight properly so that will help and his fast hands a good chin would spell trouble for Whyte.
Joyce would be a fun fight - no one has put a dent in Joe yet and he could make Whyte fold under his pressure.
Whyte's fought and beat a lot of fighters in and around the tite picture - he' vulnerable but usually fun to watch once Fury V Joshua is done he should probably get a crack - lets be honest he's beaten better competition than anyone else out there.
If Fury and AJ get it on this year assume August/September at best then the return early 2022 ??? That means Whyte ,Wilder etc. etc. Would have to be agreeable to fighting for interim type belts for the next 12 months . Wilder v Whyte is in my opinion a better fight than Whyte v Povetkin . I would have backed a pre Fury 2 Wilder to beat Whyte the question is what has that fight taken out of Wilder ?
You think Parker gets close to Fury?
Well Wallin was able to and Parker is technically better, has much quicker hand and carrys more punch power.
Despite favouring Whyte vs Fury and Parker in a possible rematch against Whyte. I think Parker vs Fury would be an ugly close fight on points.
The obvious factor in the Wallin fight was the cut, which you're wilfully discounting for some reason. Obviously these things impact fights, but the fight was still fairly clear in Fury's favour regardless.
I wouldn't say that just because Wallin was able to achieve moderate success in a fight where there was that huge equaliser means then you're able to hypothesise that other fighters would be able to beat Fury or get close to doing so. It's not a very good comparison.
Also, and obviously it's just sparring/training, but if I remember correctly there were multiple interviews pre-Wilder 1 from Parker (who was in camp with TF) that Fury was looking really good and handling Parker pretty easily in sparring.
I knew you'd use the Otto Wallin fight as a measuring stick
That was a pretty bad night for Fury
Add in the cut as mentioned above and that you criminally undrr rate Wallin, i cant agree
I dont think Parker is technically better, he has limited plans in the ring as we have seen
Parker hasn't looked good since beating Ruiz
The Whyte fight cant count as he lost despite the cries of headbutt
Parker just isnt very good