Everyday i like Pacman more and more

I think most educated fans know that that wasn't a prime Hoya. That Diaz wasn't exactly a beast. That Cotto might have lost something vs Margarito, and that Hatton...well, not sure what to say about him. I firmly believe a prime Manny beats a prime Hatton every time. All this talk about fighters not being prime after a loss is somewhat weak though. Going by that logic then we all need to look at Manny. He has some losses but look what he's done afterwards? That just shows how far he's come and how great of a fighter he is.

You speak of how simple people are for falling for stuff. Now how about those who are knocking him for PEDS? Based on what? I really don't want to get into this though, we've beaten this to death.

 

IMHO, your position is that of the coward. You choose not to examine the facts so that you can say, "I am cool. I like everybody." If your position is one of ignorance (not knowing)? Cool. However a light examination of the facts shows that the position of Pac supporters is nonsense.

******* - PBF ducked Mosley (Video to disprove it)
***** - Pac ducked Mayweather (Pac ducked the tests)
******* - PBF ducked Margo (Baldo was the lineal champ)
***** - Cotto just lost to Margo (He was DESTROYED)
******* - Zab just lost to Baldomir (Fight signed BEFORE Baldo fight)
***** - ODLH was drained hadn't fought at 147 for 7 years (True, Roach agreed)
******* - JMM came up 2 weight classes and PBF still couldn't make weight (True, but the fight was at WW)
***** - Morales was past prime (True, and he should have fough Zahir Raheem)
******* - JCC was past prime (Who?)
***** - Pac lost JMM I (He did.)
******* - PBF lost Castillo I (maybe, but rematched immediatly and left no doubt)
***** - PBF's undefeated (True, but irrelevant)
******* - Pac's faced better comp (Past 130? In name only.)
***** - roids (True. Guy won't test.)
******* - xylocaine (False. Idiots don't understand the rules or the drug)
***** - Joke coach Roach (Officially part of his team making decisions)
******* - Crackhead Uncle (Just coaches boxing)

So why don't you spend a few minutes analyzing or continue to play the fake ambivilance. The facts fall down one way.

 

if people want to hate someone they will find any reason for it.

 

And you became a hater of PBF the day he turned pro for some bull**** irrational reason.

 

Wrong.

 

Yeah Cotto was pretty much ****ed with the whole Pac fight...i cant believe how they did him like that....everything about the fight was wrong

 

Then why are these (educated?) fans giving him credit for these BS wins?

I think all three of those guys were names not true competitive fighters. ODLH would have taken him to school in his prime. Hatton? Always a joke. Cotto? Decent, but had been getting rocked pretty often and was DESTROYED not beaten.

Huh? Based on killing the most lucrative fight in history due to not wanting to drug test? His actions alone are enough to substantiate the PED claims.

 

Stop right there.

You're the one who said Pac can't box, and I don't examine facts?
I'd start a poll but it's a waste of time, EVERYONE knows Pac can box.

'Look at me I'm cool. I like everybody'.

No, I have strong opinions about boxing and call it like I see it, and by that I mean Pacs about 10-20 spots ahead of PBF in ATG standings.
****, didn't realise I was debating a teenager.
But you carry on, you do Mayweather fans a world of good.

Oh I examine facts, I just don't twist them:deal

 

Take your opinions to Classic where the most knowledgable fans are.
You'll last 5 minutes before being laughed out of the forum.

 

Dude I even explained it to you! Pac is NOT a boxer. That is why he AVOIDS boxers. Why didn't he fight Zahir Raheem and NOT shot Morales? He doesn't want to see a guy who can BOX. He likes to FIGHT.

I am a grown ass man. If you think Pac is 10-20 spots ahead of PBF you don't know crap about boxing.

Man now I see you don't know a "fact" from a hole in the ground.

 

All this Manny and Floyd **** is old and tired. I honestly like Floyd and Manny but my stance is that I see more wrong with Floyd and his actions leading up to the potential showdown with Manny than what Manny has said in response to the accusations and olympic style testing demands.

But I'd be lying if I said Manny and his team hasn't shown any contradictions when responding to these questions of PEDs and Roid use. But I'd also be lying if I said Floyd and his team havn't contradicted themselves either.

the BLAME game is never ending b/c both sides have a reasonable amount of Blame that they share. You either side with Manny or you side with Floyd, but it's getting a bit redundant with all these *****S and *******S fighting tooth and nail for the other side to agree to their opinions. WE gotta chalk this **** up to the fight is not made b/c of EGO'S!

Had Floyd not come up with these allegations which prompted the olympic style testing demands the fight would have been made without any problems since the money was split 50/50

Had Manny agreed to all the olympic style testing demands of Floyd the fight probably would have went through.

But it didn't happen. We all agree that both men have massive egos and for good reason...they are the two top men in their profession and winning the early battles or pre fight battles is very important mentally for both.

I hope that there can be a compromise b/c this is a very important fight for boxing. Floyd and Manny are great for the sport for similar and vastly different reasons but they are NECESSITIES for boxing.

Who will win??.....Don't know, but I'd say that logically speaking Floyd should edge Manny in a close fight, but based on what I've seen from Floyd he...for the first time has shown that he has some concerns with a potential opponent who happens to be Manny.

Bottom line the fight needs to happen especially if both Manny and Floyd get past Josh and Shane. And I do think it will happen.

 

Just because I ackowledged those things doesn't mean I agree that they're bs wins. How many fighters are prime all the time? Some win, some lose, and they all go on to face their next opponent. If Team Pac always looked for undefeated and prime opponents then they wouldn't have anyone to fight. This goes for all boxers, not just Pacquiao. They fight whose there to fight..

BHS, the same can be said about PBF, he killed the most lucrative fight in history because they decided to throw something out there that they're very own team never requested in his previous 40 W's. It goes both ways and honestly I hate talking about this already because it never gets resolved. All that we can hope for is that they can come to a compromise and really give us what we want.

 

Hey if people put it in perspective then fine however they don't. Like beating RJJ didn't make Danny Greene the man, the same should apply here. I don't blame Manny for the timing. Hell I don't really blame him for the cherry picking, bka matchmaking.

What I DO blame Top Rank and Team Pac for is the constant "at Mayweather's expense approach to furthering their BS agenda. The icing on the cake is ignorant ass fans repeating that BS like it is true.

Please, FMJ had every right to ASK for testing. Manny had every right to REFUSE. Manny knew the testing requirement was there IN THE BEGINNING!!!!! However he didn't refuse. He agreed then told a bunch of lies to get out of the fight and is still lying to this day.

Look at the video. It puts in perspective the sequence of lies. It doesn't get resolved because Pac fans, like you seem to be, REFUSE to even look at VIDEO EVIDENCE of Pac and his team being caught in bald faced LIES!!!

 

What's your reason then?

 

I admit, I hate how Team Pac conducts it's business sometimes. I hate how Arum say's one thing, then Roach says another, then Manny is heard saying something else. That **** has always pissed me off. But one has to realize that the PI is literally on the other side of the globe. Manny isn't here all the time to speak on his own behalf. He also has a world of other things going on and is not just chillin in his mansion in LV. They do need to get on the same page though, I definitely agree to that.

I'll check out the vid when I get home. It'll prolly just **** me off cuz I'm sure a hater made it but who cares