Everyone calls Wlad great, but why hasn't he fought Valuev or James Toney?

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  1. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Wladamir would literally murder former MW James Toney.

    Sorry, I love Toney, but not in a million years.
     
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  2. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    That's right. He is much better currently than those you mentioned. One-punch KO power, excellent jab, always in great shape. It would be a very comfortable fight for him.
     
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  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Klitschko/Toney would be horrible, but Wlad would win. You have to remember that Sam Peter outboxed a pretty good version of heavyweight-Toney, so a Klitschko fight really would be no contest. Toney would sit on the ropes doing barely anything, except eat jabs.
     
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  4. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see how Peter beating Toney has anything to do with Wlad beating Toney.

    You're taking an aggressive, volume punching, 6 foot fighter, and comparing him to a tenative, 6'7'' fighter.

    It's a completely different fight. Peter won due to his volume and his punch placement.

    He also threw left uppercuts. Klitschko doesn't throw a lot of volume, doesn't place his punches the same way as Peter, and doesn't throw uppercuts.

    In so far as Toney sitting on the ropes, in order for this to happen, Klitschko would have to press the fight, which isn't in his nature as he is a tenative, cautious fighter.

    This will especially be the case agianst Toney who he will find very difficult to hit cleanly, and will put himself in position to be countered every time he commits to a punch.
     
    HENDO, Apr 6, 2010
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  5. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Are you sure you're thinking of the right person? In all of Wlad's fights that I've seen recently he's been coming forwards constantly pounding his opponents with his jab. Looked fairly aggressive to me...
     
    Cobbler, Apr 6, 2010
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  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only when his opponent runs because he has no answers, IE, Chambers, and Ibriganov, and then only at the beckoning of Manny Steward.

    Although, I wouldn't consider Wlad to be extraordinarly aggressive against Ibriganov due to Ibraganov's style, which is remarkably close to Toney's as far as his defense is concerned. His defense made Klitschko tenative, and made it one of his worst fights.

    Toney doesn't just sit there or run though, he responds. His movements are for a reason. He won't get Ibriganoved. He has potential to make it a close fight. Klitschko will have to work or just not commit to any of his punches, and look worse than he's ever looked before.
     
    HENDO, Apr 6, 2010
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  7. HyperUppercut

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    because james toney would whoop they're mu****in asses and make them suck his dick. his **** talking game is just too much for anyfigher to handle.
     
    HyperUppercut, Apr 6, 2010
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  8. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    Toney has never been in a position to fight Wlad, and given what heavies have to do these days to get a title shot this says it all

    Valuev and a younger John Ruiz were both significant fighters of the last decade who never faced a Klitschko, although both were WBA champions and Don King fighters

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    Squire, Apr 6, 2010
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  9. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Your arguments all seem to be along the line of "even though Toney has looked fat and **** against much lesser opponents, he will somehow be a nightmare for the most dominant heavyweight out there".
     
    Cobbler, Apr 6, 2010
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  10. baldbull

    baldbull Active Member Full Member

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    wlad beats them both in the same night
     
    baldbull, Apr 6, 2010
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  11. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe b'cause one is a freak who can't box and the other is fatso who can box...
     
    Dorfmeister, Apr 6, 2010
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  12. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    James Toney ,,,,,,Really?
     
    BrooklynMumin, Apr 6, 2010
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  13. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An in shape Toney weighs in about 168.
     
    Boxfan1, Apr 6, 2010
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  14. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another thing to keep in mind, remember when Wlad couldn't duck Corrie Sanders punches?
     
    HENDO, Apr 6, 2010
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  15. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    I think you have all been trolled.
     
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