Ok so we are almost two weeks out and people are getting more and more caught up in the hype of this fight. Cotto is a good boxer - puncher but that's where it ends..... Everyone is getting so wrapped up his new found confidence and his new trainer....so I want to address these.... Diaz appears to be a good trainer, however I say we really haven't seen enough from him to determine his real worth. Cotto vs Margo II was almost a carbon copy Cotto vs Margo I - Cotto himself confirms this on 24/7. I think most people after watching Cotto vs Margo knew what Cotto needed to do to win that fight, so I don't really understand the level of praise he is getting, it was glaringly obvious what he had to do, it was no secret. It seems to me that fans are easily swayed. Roach appeared to do wonders with Pacquiao, then with Khan and to some extent with JCC Jr however a few fights later people have realised that he actually isn't the second coming of Christ and that the same issues his fighters had before coming to him they STILL have. Now I do think Roach is a good trainer but he IS overrated to me....likewise Pacquiao is a great boxer to me, but he does have a lot of weaknesses, but he is an incredible athlete with great power and lightening speed makes up for that in most fights.... With only one fight with Cotto and another 8 weeks with him to prepare for this fight he is not going to correct all of Cotto's deficiencies - and we don't know if he is good enough to do so anyway (he probably is - with sufficient time but that certainly isn't 2 training camps). Secondly this new found confidence to me is just talk, he was confident in the Pacquiao fight and he was dominated, I expect every fighter to talk up their chances, no one would watch if they thought their favorite fighter was going to take an ass whooping! So come May 5th it will be the same old story Mayweather will dominate and it will be business as usual. Then people will realise they were fooled into believing Cotto had a chance. Here lies the problem with Mayweather most people think his opponents have a chance and after the event they realise they didn't and proceed to down play his opponents. Before the fight: Mayweather would never fight Mosely, he's scared of him, Mosely with knock him out. After the fight: Mosely was shot, he was over trained, he threw the fight, he gave up. The Cotto that beat Margo/Foreman/Mayorga does not beat Mayweather, too slow, not a good enough defense, too one handed and not enough power. Note: If Mayweather loses (he won't) no excuses from me Cotto will get 100% praise from me :deal
i am not caught in the hype...i think Cotto has got some of that fire back and has a trainer who he believes in maybe he will be in the best form he has been in since Pac but its still just not enough i bet when Floyd starts to surgically pick him apart he will do the back peddle routine and start to come apart in there
The dynamics of the 2nd one are totally different. Cotto says that in reference to his success early, but he had added dimensions which made all the difference. He wasn't running from one side of the ring to the other, he was circling efficiently and controlling the center of the ring. He wasn't backing up into the ropes and fighting off of them against his will, he was setting traps and creating space off angles. He wasn't hunching over to avoid blows and exposing his chin, but keeping his feet under him throughout exchanges. He circled both ways, instead of relying on one direction, and was able to back Margarito up himself and initiate a clinch when necessary. In terms of the mental aspect, I put less weight on that because I can't actually know how Cotto is feeling myself, but it was refreshing to hear him assure commentatrs with no doubts whatsoever he would win in pre-fight interviews with ESPN Deportes, and to see him stand there in the ring staring at Antonio meant something. Couple that with the fact that he's training with more intensity (which showed both in the gym clips and in his conditioning) and the already-proven accomplishments of his trainer, and there's no reason not to be excited. Win or lose, from a boxistic point of view, things are looking up for Miguel Cotto much more than they were two years ago.
Well said. Agreed on everything you've written there about Cotto. But I hope I'm wrong. Don't wanna' see him outclassed too badly.
The fact is the second fight went the way the first should have went, if Cotto was intelligent enough to see what was happening. (I don't mean to be rude about Cotto but it's true) As for what he is saying to the commentators and fans, it's just all talk, he HAS to sound convincing, he is getting paid a lot of money. I have seen clips of Cotto training before and these clips too and they don't show enough for you to know if he is training with more intensity. You are just seeing what you want to.... Pedro doesn't have any accomplishments in professional boxing that's my point, who has he trained at this level except Cotto? No one! Amateurs and Pro's are completely different. We have seen trainers who have vast experience with vast professional fighters (Roach/Garcia) still having holes in their training. So what makes you think someone who doesn't have this experience won't have holes in their training either? I don't understand what you mean about that stare meaning something? What did it mean? and how does it relate to the Mayweather fight? No doubt it will be a good fight, Cotto vs Pacquiao was a good fight and he was dominated then, doesn't mean Cotto won't be dominated again.
I like Cotto too and if he made it competitive I would be over the moon. But I don't see anything to suggest he will - except for hype!
Any armchair fan can watch the screen and say "COTTO YOU NEED TO TIGHTEN YOUR GUARD AND FIX YOUR BALANCE AND ADD DIMENSION TO YOUR LATERALS", but the actual application of those fundamentals takes time and education. Cotto has never talked like that before. "Pacquiao can fight whoever he wants after I beat him". Ok, that's all well and good, but it doesn't excite the fans. He doesn't need to. When talking to Marquez the night before on air, he sounded nothing but extremely sure and eager to prove it. That's noticeable and important. Cotto is doing drills on the pads we've never seen him do; continuous punching, more laboring heavy bag drills, etc. Compare it to the mittwork with Joe Santiago. It's night and day. Pedro is not only accomplished in amateur boxing, but a figure in and of himself. Sure, the game is different, and nobody's a perfect trainer, but nobody's saying he is. He added dimension to Cotto, a professional, in a dramatic way, and the proof was in the pudding. In terms of the stare, you're asking why people think Cotto's mentality has improved or looks to be something positive, and I'm telling you that Cotto showing emotion and confidence instead of a passive complacency is something to celebrate. I'm not saying Cotto's definitely going to win, but these are obvious things we haven't seen before that improve Cotto's chances and increase the likelihood of the fight being competitive (moreso than the Pacquiao fight, where he was technically at his worst). You're asking why people are excited, and I'm letting you know. An array of technical differences and subtle cues that indicate a greater degree of passion and dedication are the reasons.
I don't want to get into a long back and forth but the point is no matter what Diaz says and no matter what Cotto says, he has to DO IT in the ring. Cotto isn't capable of backing it up - sorry! He's had way too many fights that have been too close (Moseley & Clottey) and too many where he had been beaten badly (Pacquiao & Margo). When the going gets tough he won't keep coming forward like Mayweather (see round two of Mayweather vs Mosely) he will go backwards (see round 7 Cotto vs Margo) I don't believe he has it in him....
This fight is a few yrs too late thats the big problem and Cotto has seen better days ..Im rooting for him based on my heart ..There is a big reason why Floyd is the favorite yet again ,but sometimes as boxing fans all you can do is hope ! WAR COTTO !
Im not sure what you mean, but THAT Cotto does not stand a chance against Mayweather.... Cotto hasn't changed when he get hit hard enough he will revert back to Cotto of old! This is Mayweathers biggest advantage over Cotto. He is a much better boxer with far fewer weaknesses so when the going gets tough for Mayweather he isn't TRYING to remember what he should box like. He boxes just like he always has.....
Yeah, the whole Diaz thing is vastly overblown (especially after just one fight). I do think Cotto has his confidence back, though. The sad thing is it will only make the beating worse. :deal
People hope to see Mayweather lose. So as long as the opponent has a pulse, folks posture up, thinking said opponent can win. Same story, different character. /Thread
Actually, given some of Cotto's fundamental deficiencies it makes sense for him to hire a coach with huge amateur experience.