Everything wrong about boxing preceded by everything right.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by brown bomber, Feb 21, 2008.


  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That is the thickest interpretion of anything I have ever written. Well done. :roll:
     
  2. TFFP

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    Some of this **** needs to be put into perspective

    Find me a British fighter that was fighting better opposition than St Clair after 15 fights. Hatton was fighting bum of the month. Junior Witter was barely facing guys with a winning record. Even my man Joe didn't fight Eubank until 22 fights

    I realise the hype raises expectations, but the kid is 21, he is doing fine. This bull**** is getting out of hand
     
  3. Raashid

    Raashid Member Full Member

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    Why do talented young British fighters go with Warren? They must know his way of moving their careers by now?
    In the case of Khan, does anyone know whether after the Olympics he got offers from the US or not? He agiven some pretty bad advice if he turned down offers from GBP, DKP etc.
     
  4. john b

    john b EVERTON 0- OLdham 1 Full Member

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    yeah but why would warren go on national television and say he was going to america or fighting romanov for the european title and he had no intention of puttting him with romanov thats whats got on my whick.
     
  5. TFFP

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    Because he's Frank Warren

    I'm pretty sure he said some time this year, not neccessarily the next fight. The way I see it he is fighting the number 1 contender, and is well on course for a title shot within 20 fights

    He's done a lot more than most British fighters, yet is judged by different standards
     
  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Maybe you should try writing it again so that it's clear what exactly it is that you are complaining about if it's not the credentials of Khan's current opponents or you assumptions as to his future ones.

    That's the traditional thing that people tend to judge fighters on (well preferably the former rather than the latter).

    You also may want to consider the following: where else does 'old school' Thaxton have to go? And would he still be fighting Romanov if someone had offered him the alternative of fighting Kristjansen as an elimantion for a World title fight against one of the divisions top fighters?
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=155774&cat=boxer Theres one.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4462&cat=boxer Two.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=006297&cat=boxer Three.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=5405&cat=boxer Four.

    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=38458&cat=boxer Five.

    All fighters who fought 'world' champions in their first 16 fights and if you really want I can tell you about each one. Do you actually believe that St Clair was a world champion?
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I've read it- it makes perfect sense.. Your last point is a good one. But are you a manager or a spectator... I think our career expectations for Khan are very different.
     
  9. brown bomber

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  10. TFFP

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    3 of which never amounted to much, so that's hardly a convincing argument

    You might want to consider that what is right for one fighter is not necessarily right for another. Also, Khan is 21. He has only very recently filled out physically

    Look at our best guys at the moment. Ricky Hatton was fighting some cab driver 13-2-1, he didn't do too badly for himself

    Junior Witter was fighting a novice 0-1-0 :lol:

    Joe Calzaghe was fighting a Welsh sheep farmer, 11-6-2

    Clinton Woods, 7-7-0

    The great Lennox Lewis, was fighting a cowboy in Nevada, 35-15-1

    The two guys that were actually successful in your list are the exception, not the rule

    Taking that into account...sorry, I'm not going to get up in arms because 21 year old Khan is fighting #1 ranked by the WBO in his 17th fight
     
  11. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    So what would you think if Juan Diaz was facing the number 1 contender Martin Kristjansen for the WBO title? I don't think anybody at all would be happy with that. You seem to be believing what you are being fed by the hype machine, yet you must surely know full well that Kristjansen is only No1 contender because FW put him there.
     
  12. TFFP

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    I don't care who put him there if Khan fights for the title within the next couple of fights

    Until then, I won't be getting on his back given what previous very good British champions had achieved at a similar point in their career
     
  13. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Its interesting looking at the next fights of these domestic rivals.

    For me Thaxton's is a genuine challenge whilst Khan's is a mere formality.

    I know which one I am looking forward to the most as I would much rather witness a competitive affair than a foregone conclusion.
     
  14. kerrminator

    kerrminator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post Jeff, fully agree.

    Its a shame because if Khan was to take the old school route to the top he would recieve far more recognition, not to mention the experience he would gain on the way. It seems that in Britain an '0' on a fighters record these days is becoming more important than their actual career.

    No disrespect to Khans fans but I get the feeling a lot of Amirs fans on ESB are relatively young and probably only started watching boxing in recent years when Khan came onto the scene (dont get me wrong, anything that brings more fans to the sport can only be a good thing) but to be fair to some of the critics this idea of fighting weaker opponents is something we have seen done time and time again over the years especially under Warren therefore we are all to used to hearing Frank talk about how the next fight will be a big one.

    He needs to start fighting guys with a decent dig (even if they are not as good at boxing as St Clair or Limond etc) because the last thing he wants is to work his way to the top having fought a load of light punchers then suddenly find himself in a ring with somebody like Juan Diaz.....it would be a rude awakening and he could even end up seriously hurt and who could blame him because all he knows is theres a great hype around him and fighters do actually start believing their own hype after a while.

    A few heavy handed opponents would go a long way in helping him to develop his game.
     
  15. brown bomber

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    Ricky Hatton was a international world class amateur but not an olympic medalist.

    Both Witter and Woods came from nowhere to become contenders and were afforded nowhere near as much hype as Khan.

    And Lennox Lewis was on his second world champion by his sixteenth fight.