Exactly when did boxing technique stop advancing?

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  1. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Technique and ar t certainly have never advanced past displayed by the 40s and probably sometime before that
     
  2. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    I think it's still evolving, especially in the training and weight cutting departments.

    As far as effective fighting techniques, there was a high water mark in the 30's through the 40's, when the talent pool for both fighters and trainers was deepest. General interest and popularity in the sport was at its peak, unmatched before or since.
    Boxing gyms were packed then. Now most of the athletes are in other sports.

    There was also another quantum leap in the 80's, but really you could say it was just a continuation of the momentum from the era just mentioned.
    Definitely a leveling off by then (late 80's).

    The great fighters now are fewer and further between.
     
  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks to better/more knowledgeable trainers, and a deeper talent pool today than 30-40 years ago, we are now seeing more and more great fighters being produced around the world.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who else would you name in the breed?
     
  5. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    It’s difficult to say when technique stopped advancing and clearly some people in this thread think it is continuing to advance even now.

    I would say that by the 50s there was a greater orthodoxy in technique which may or may not have been cemented by television becoming the dominant medium for watching the fights.
     
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  6. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it stopped. Although I think the quality of fighters went down about 1995-2000.. More titles easier to get a title because more of them, so less fights needed to win a title and be on top. Canelo is so good now because he has so many fights and has fought everyone, so that has helped him improve. He could do well in any era. Only a few guys can say that now. Today boxing is not that great. Many of the top guys we see as dominant would be easily beaten by the fighters of 20 years ago. Canelo against a Hagler would be an easy fight for Marvin I think. I think Roberto Duran of 1989 gives Canelo a great fight and could win. And he was seen as old then.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Crawford and Usyk were also mentioned in a study of fighters using the dominant hands as their lead hand.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Canelo would have destroyed Duran at 39 and is a far better middleweight than Duran was, GGG would have done better v Duran than Hagler did.
     
  9. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m no expert on boxing techniques but I refuse to believe today’s fighters have higher skill levels than the fighters of the eighties and before.
    There are some exceptions in the modern day, but generally I don’t see any evidence of these “modern techniques” being superior.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I see fighters from the middle 1920's to the end of the decade that I think are just as skilled as any that have come after.eg
    Gibbons
    Tunney
    Delaney
    Leonard
    Genaro
    Labarba
    McLarnin
    Berg
    Chocolate
    Shade
    Canzoneri
    Petrolle
    Loughran
    Mandell
    Tendler
    Brown

    I think there have been some advances in the heavy ranks up to around the late 60's early 70's but overall I don't see any significant improvements .
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Technique never stops advancing. What are you guys talking about? As long we have films and books and great clever trainers and fighters with high ring iq who are willing to learn from the past, one can always make imorovements.

    For example, wladmir klitschko had an amazing jab but why would it be ludicrous that a guy 30 years from now could study his fights on film and find an even more efficient way to throw the jab the way wladmir did? Maybe someone studying film notices wladmir was a little too tense in the shoulder and said future guy found a way to be looser while maintaing the speed and power?

    Unlike team sports, combat sports are all about the individual. You cant look at an era as a whole and say "boxing stopped evolving" because there arent many innovators. It's why you have guys like floyd maywearher or joe louis whi were way ahead of their time in terms of technique. Individually, they took skills and moves of the past and improved on them drastically compared to their contemporaries. Right now i have Floyd as the #1 defensive fighter at 147 and easily top 5 of all time. But just because he's undefeated and an ATG, that doesnt mean a guy 30 years from now couldn't improve the philly shell after studying Floyd's moves.
     
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  12. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    The sweet science has gotten much more scientific over time. It would be hard to imagine even great champions of the past like Jeffries, fitz, tommy burns or Johnson being competitive with a amateur nowadays with their stiff upright posture and lack of body leverage in their punches.

    I think Willard vs Dempsey was a great example of how modern boxing would look against fisticuffs.

    But to awnser the main part of your question with my opinion is you can never stop learning and I'm sure we're gonna see new talent bringing new ideas to the table in the future. For the most part I think we peaked in Ali's golden era.
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Lomo is the next wave. Any fighter that can combine quick hands, and aggression, with great footwork and defense is going to be very hard to beat. Lomo seeks the best, and beat him, often forcing them to retire. If he hit a little harder, you can make a case he's nearly impossible to beat in his prime.

    Others who can be the next wave are the Japanese bantam weight Nagoya Inoue, who might have the best power I've ever seen in the weight class. Crawford if he actually fights top guys and beats them and Usyk if he can win a belt at heavyweight.

    If the light heavyweight division can have significant matches, whomever comes out on top will be viewed as special.
     
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  14. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    You can’t fight just like Mike Tyson by looking at his films. That’s why.
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Willard Vs Dempsey is what happens when a desperate power puncher fights a shot reluctant boxer.

    Putting your body and leverage into punches was figured out in the ealy 1700's.

    And the idea people fighting far much longer fights could possibly be stiffer is preposterous.
     
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