Tbh, most of y'all have low standards on who makes the top 10 and 20 middleweights of all time list lol
Yes I'm aware if you go back a few pages, I debated with a poster who didn't think Michalczewski was on the same level as Golovkin. Which I totally disagreed with, as Michalczewski had better single wins than Golovkin as you just pointed out. Aswell as 23 title defences, which for me definitely puts him on par with Golovkin.
Yes but my point is they were still close controversial decisions, in the same vain as the Canelo fights that people keep bringing up, giving Golovkin unofficial wins to heighten his resume. Golovkin may of been a bit unlucky to lose the 1st Canelo fight, but the other two fights I didn't see anything wrong with Canelo getting the nod. And if you think Golovkin was unlucky vs Canelo in their 1st meeting, by that same notion Golovkin was also fortunate himself to be 2-0 vs Jacobs and Derevyanchenko.
Well if that's true for arguments sake let's say Golovkin won 1st meeting vs Canelo but still lost the other two fights, your claiming Canelo isn't anywhere close to Golovkin, and I also don't think Canelo is anywhere near a great Middleweight either. My point is does 1 win over Canelo really sky rocket Golovkin to being in top 10 Middleweights of all time ? I'm not so sure on that. For me I look at this way Golovkin is a fine fighter and I have nothing against him, but his resume is just not up to standard and there isn't really any stand out wins on his resume. Whether or not it was fighters ducking him, or as some people believe he got a raw deal with judges. But at the end of the day his resume just isn't stacked with big names. And it hurts him quite badly legacy wise that the best fighter he fought he didn't get a W against him.
Based on prime ability I would say top 10 I can easily see him hanging with the likes of Hagler, Monzon, Robinson. Guy was a beast. However those are just hypothetical match ups and are totally subjective to opinion. Unfortunately Triple G’s actual resume is quite light. I will say he is the most avoided fighter I’ve seen and I’ve watched the sport for 40 years. The number of guys that either flat out ducked him or showed 0 interest in fighting him was insane. They basically froze the man’s prime out. Based on achievement - he did rack up title defenses and looked good doing so although I don’t agree that he should have the record over Hopkins - those were real defenses lineal- I could see Triple G in top 20. In my opinion though - just my opinion I think he got a shot against anyone in top 10.
The jacobs fight to me was very competitive but clear for GGG. GGG knocked down jacobs in the fourth then had him in trouble in the 8th. I have that fight a win for GGG by 3 points.
I think maybe top 10 or top 15, longevity and absalute dominance over good and mediocre contenders and closer wins over top fighters means something. He is 12-1-1 (10) ko's at middleweight vs Ring magazine top 10 contenders. He is 22-1-1 (20) ko's in middleweight world title fights.
I have noted that his age 36+ combined with his style and activity factor in. Golovkin was active long after Hagler and Monzon retired. Ask yourself would they still be winning at age 36+? I think GGG won the first Canelo fight as do a few dozen other boxing writers. With his title defenses ( 20+ ) he rates way up there. Top ten ATG for me and a sure fire #1 vote getter in his hall of fame class. There is no higher honor. [url]https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/the-10-longest-middleweight-boxing-title-reigns.htm[/url]
I still think the second fight was GGG’s, just closer. Far closer. Anyone who had the first fight a draw or Clenelo win either DKSAB or is related to Clenelo.
No this is apples and oranges here. Hagler and monzons both faught in a time were career where shorter because of tougher careers, **** hagler basically beat all the mw names in the 70-80s. Il put is this way you look at haglers and monzons resume where would Daniel Jacobs be? do any of ggg wins come near Griffith, valdes, benvonutie, hearns, mugabi, Duran ect. Look in the end of the day it's quality over quantity and even someone lower down the top ten like Freddie steel haze much more quality wins then ggg.
