exactly why was Berto clinching/holding?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Relentless, May 31, 2009.


  1. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

    65,862
    16
    Mar 5, 2006
    i mean usually when someone does that its because the opponent is bigger and stronger and sometimes faster, Berto was the bigger (153.5 fight night weight), stronger, faster and the more powerful guy, urango was slow as hell and the lighter/smaller guy, why did berto need to hold? why couldn't he outbox him?:huh
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

    79,438
    2,647
    Feb 1, 2007
    so that Urango wouldn't be able to throw his power shots when he was in range.

    Urango is built like a truck and extremely strong for the full 12 rounds. Berto did the right thing. Urango's handspeed is far from slow as hell.

    Angulo, now that is slow as hell.
     
  3. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

    22,296
    6
    Mar 14, 2007
    He didn't need to; just Hatton laid out that gameplan of beating Urango, so he followed it. He could have outboxed him, although it would have been a more dangerous way of going about it. It's not like Berto has a great chin, and I'm still not convinced that he was the harder puncher in the ring last night.
     
  4. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

    65,862
    16
    Mar 5, 2006
    but even if urango threw his shots i doubt they would have landed, there were a few time berto got in close, threw his combinations and slipped all of urango's shots.
     
  5. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

    22,296
    6
    Mar 14, 2007
    It's hard to do that for 12 rounds, plus you don't want Urango to get into a rhythm.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

    27,684
    7
    Jun 11, 2008
    Why did Berto grab and hold Urango for dear life 78,000 times the way he did, and has, against Collazo and others? For one, his heart pumps Kool-Aid. Besides that he was absolutely no ****ing clue what he's doing on the inside, so he starts to panic - which leads us back to the thickness of his spine, and the depth of his ability.
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

    27,684
    7
    Jun 11, 2008
    WTF?.... :huh

    Soooo many things puzzling about this statement.. :lol:
     
  8. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,876
    10
    Jul 26, 2004

    i agree totally:good

    urango doesnt just look like a monster... he can hit like one too (at least at jr. welter). i keep remembering the vilches ko:?

    jeez urango hardly jabs! i think his whole plan in the fight is to land that shot. i think it was a good idea for berto to tie up.
     
  9. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

    22,296
    6
    Mar 14, 2007
    I don't think it's because he doesn't know how to fight on the inside, I think it's because he has a shaky chin, and he can't see punches coming at him to avoid them when he's on the inside, so he just ties up the guy's arms. He didn't really start doing this until he got KDed against Rivera while he was smashing Rivera on the inside up against the ropes.
     
  10. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,827
    3
    May 19, 2007
    Not really.

    Urango is built like a truck. He's gone the distance plenty of times. And his straight punches are garbage, but his hooks get there, especially in combination.

    I don't care what the official weights were, for the first five rounds Berto was not the "stronger" man in the ring. Urango is a supernatural 140 pounder, was it that shocking he was basically a full welterweight last night?
     
  11. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

    26,390
    2
    Mar 13, 2007
    He simply used his head . . . Urango is no push over dude. Urango is more than capable of knocking Berto out at any given time dsuring that fight. :deal
     
  12. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

    22,296
    6
    Mar 14, 2007
    He stunned Berto several times during the fight on body shots as well, or at least made Berto take notice. He doesn't just look like he throws hard. That wide ass back of his generates a ton of torque when he throws his wild shots.

    Next for Urango - Randall Bailey. That will be a fun one. Bailey has a sketchy chin also, and power is more of his calling card than boxing.
     
  13. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

    27,684
    7
    Jun 11, 2008
    The shaky chin part goes without saying, Brickhaus, but if you think it isn't because he clearly does not know what he's doing inside and trying to compensate, you haven't been watching closely enough. Berto looked like a suffocating fish out of water at close quarters in the Collazo fight. He was utterly and epicly ****ing helpless.
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

    27,684
    7
    Jun 11, 2008
    lmao... Is that right? No ****, Apollo. No DUH as well. And what's the excuse for Berto grabbing and holding Collazo as much he did?? Is Collazo "built like a truck?" My response was for the OP. That was for him to respond to.
     
  15. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

    22,296
    6
    Mar 14, 2007
    Watch his older fights. He did just fine fighting on the inside, just he got caught a lot. Now, rather than risking it, he just clinches.