Examples of boxers neutralizing the opponent's superior speed and athleticism

Do you know what neutralized means... If he was ACTUALLY able to neutralize Taylor he wouldn't have lost pretty much EVERY round of the right. The scorecards wouldn't have been so wide on pretty much everybody's card. THAT would've been neatralizing. Instead we have Taylor dominating 90% of that fight and the cards reflected this. If Chavez was doing the neatrlaizing we'd see chavez winning more rounds. That would've been something to say if he did that. Problem is, he did he exact opposite of that, and lost pretty much every round. Catching somebody in the last round and winning pretty much only that round.. doesn't mean you neatralized a thing.

 

Reflexes, timing and power are attributes of athletic excellence and are as just much inherited and developed as speed is.

Chavez displayed more athleticism, ergo Chavez won.

 

Chavez winning was too reliant on a debatable and possibly crooked stoppage to be considered as a performance where he truly neutralized taylor.Even leaving that aside he left it far to late to get on top.

It's a great example of how a fighter can use other attributes to compete with a speed disadvantage though.

 

Maybe you should actually pay attention to the fight and stop listening to HBO's constant dick sucking of Taylor.

While Meldrick was ahead, he sure as **** wasn;t winning all of the rounds like the HBO team would like to have you believe. Taylor's face wasn't grotesquely swollen, and he didn't have a fractured cheek bone just cus of that last round.

 

The word "athleticism" is 140 years old but used to mean something quite different. According to the OED... “the practice of, or devotion to, athletic exercises; training as an athlete.” As in... “Athleticism ought to be a valuable ally in promoting habits of temperance and sobriety.”

Currently it is being defined by Websters New World.. “physical prowess consisting variously of coordination, dexterity, vigor, stamina, etc.”

So it is up to the speaker to decide which of the various factors of physical prowess count. It seems most just reduce it to speed. I would argue with the WNW definition that it is coordination, dexterity, vigor, stamina and fill in the "etc" with timing, durability and strength.

Chavez trumped Taylor in every department but speed. He displayed more athleticism.

 

and, imo, anything else that would be conducive the success in the athletic contest at hand, physical and mental.

i would exclude equipment only.

 

I think you guys are being somewhat willfully presumptious and contrarian in your overanalysis of this.

Just about as bad as anyone thinking athleticism as it applies to boxing only means speed.

 

Nah, I genuinely think people mean 'agility' as well as speed/explosiveness. Or else I'm just not smart enough to understand what athleticism might be.

but then I have trouble with 'natural talent' too.

 

Please tell me this is sarcastic? Chavez didn't display more speed to be sure.. and not timing as well. The only thing he displayed more of was power. Taylor was the faster man a foot and in punches as well as better reflexes. You put them in other sporst like Basketball or Football and you really think Chavez would prove the better athlete? I don't, but that is neither nor there, because as I stated, I don't care about this argument on what athlete means. My only point in this thread is that Chavez didn't neutralize Taylor.. which I believe you agree with.

 

I think I prefer my terms to be concrete and not amorphous.

 

Nope

He displayed exquisite timing inside. More effective than that which Taylor displayed outside. One of the main factors that led to the fight being stopped.

I don't know. I haven't seen either play either sport. But which of the two that would be the better mediocre B-Ball or F-Ball player does not matter. I know who is the better athlete at the highest level of the sport of boxing. The results of two fights prove it emphatically. What Chavez does in boxing dwarfs whatever Taylor could do in any sport. Thus, Chavez possesses the greater athleticism.

Chavez entirely neutralized Taylor. It just didn't come to its final fruition until the 12th round. Unless you think Taylor absorbed that post mortem like list of injuries in just one round.

 

Chavez-Taylor is really just an argument for all title fights to be 15 rounds. There wouldn't have been any contoversy if the fight was for 15 instead of that bogus, pussified 12 round limit. Chavez would have had Taylor out and badly hurt in 13.

 

something we agree on:shock:

 

Then just use conjecture based on variables we can see in the ring.. you really believe Chavez would be the better basketball player or football player?

You don't think being a better athlete could be.. which person was born with more God given talents to be better at more sports thanks to their gifts of speed.. reflexes.. timing.. jumping etc etc?

How on God's Green Earth you could say Chavez neutralized Taylor is beyond me... IF HE DID.. he wouldn't have been behnd in EVERYBODY's LITERALLY everybody's scorecard at ringside or on tv. How can somebody neutralize somebody.. when they in fact didn't neutralize anything by being behind on the scorecard BY A LOT. It would be one thing if it was close.. or even.. and certainly if Chavez was ahead.. but he couldn't be further from ahead in that fight.. so using the term neutralizing Meldrick is just plain funny to me.

 

If that would have been a 15 round fight, nobody would be butthurt about the stoppage. :deal