Examples of the Best Fighting the Best '01-'16

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Best Fight the Best Last 15 Years
    2001
    Bernard Hopkins vs Felix Trinidad
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Naseem Hamed
    Floyd Mayweather vs Diego Corrales
    Felix Trinidad vs William Joppy
    Kostya Tszyu vs Zab Judah
    Rafael Marquez vs Mark Johnson
    2002
    Shane Mosley vs Vernnon Forrest
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Johnny Tapia
    Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo
    Oscar De La Hoya vs Fernando Vargas
    Erik Morales vs Paulie Ayala
    Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
    Rafael Marquez vs Mark Johnson
    2003
    Shane Mosley vs Oscar De La Hoya
    Bernard Hopkins vs William Joppy
    Roy Jones Jr vs John Ruiz
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Manny Pacquiao
    Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko
    James Toney vs Vassiliy Jirov
    2004
    Shane Mosley vs Winky Wright
    Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar De La Hoya
    Roy Jones Jr vs Antonio Tarver
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Paulie Ayala
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales
    Felix Trinidad vs Ricardo Mayorga
    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    2005
    Bernard Hopkins vs Jermain Taylor
    Roy Jones Jr vs Antonio Tarver
    Felix Trinidad vs Ronald Wright
    Kostya Tszyu vs Ricky Hatton
    Erik Morales vs Manny Pacquiao
    Jose Luis Castillo vs Diego Corrales
    2006
    Shane Mosley vs Fernando Vargas
    Bernard Hopkins vs Antonio Tarver
    Oscar De la Hoya vs Ricardo Mayorga
    Erik Morales vs Manny Pacquiao
    2007
    Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto
    Bernard Hopkins vs Ronald Wright
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Manny Pacquiao
    Floyd Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya
    Floyd Mayweather vs Ricky Hatton
    Jose Luis Castillo vs Ricky Hatton
    Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah
    Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vazquez
    Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan
    2008
    Shane Mosley vs Ricardo Mayorga
    Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe
    Bernard Hopkins vs Kelly Pavlik
    Oscar De La Hoya vs Manny Pacquiao
    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito
    Rafael Marquez vs Israel Vazquez
    Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal
    2009
    Shane Mosley vs Antonio Margarito
    Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton
    Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto
    Juan Manuel Marquez vs Floyd Mayweather Jr
    Sergio Martinez vs Paul Williams
    Andre Ward vs Mikkel Kessler
    Carl Froch vs Jermain Taylor
    2010
    Shane Mosley vs Floyd Mayweather Jr
    Bernard Hopkins vs Roy Jones Jr
    Bernard Hopkins vs Jean Pascal
    Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito
    Ivan Calderon vs Giovanni Segura
    Nonito Donaire vs Hernan Marquez
    Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Koki Kameda
    Sergio Martinez vs Paul Williams
    Sergio Martinez vs Kelly Pavlik
    Andre Ward vs Sakio Bika
    Fernando Montiel vs Hozumi Hasegawa
    Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler
    Carl Froch vs Arthur Abraham
    2011
    Shane Mosley vs Manny Pacquiao
    Bernard Hopkins vs Jean Pascal
    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    Miguel Cotto vs Ricardo Mayorga
    Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito
    Ivan Calderon vs Giovanni Segura
    Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye
    Nonito Donaire vs Fernando Montiel
    Nonito Donaire vs Omar Narvaez
    Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Edgar Sosa
    Paul Williams vs Erislandy Lara
    Andre Ward vs Arthur Abraham
    Andre Ward vs Carl Froch
    Brian Viloria vs Giovani Segura
    2012
    Shane Mosley vs Saul Alvarez
    Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto
    Manny Pacquiao vs Tim Bradley
    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    Roman Gonzalez vs Juan Francisco Estrada
    Sergio Martinez vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
    Andre Ward vs Chad Dawson
    Brian Viloria vs Hernan Marquez
    Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan
    Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute
    2013
    Floyd Mayweather vs Saul Alvarez
    Nonito Donaire vs Guillermo Rigondeaux
    Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan
    Juan Francisco Estrada vs Brian Viloria
    Tim Bradley vs Juan Manuel Marquez
    Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse
    Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler
    Carl Froch vs George Groves
    2014
    Bernard Hopkins vs Sergey Kovalev
    Manny Pacquiao vs Tim Bradley
    Miguel Cotto vs Sergio Martinez
    Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin
    Nonito Donaire vs Nicholas Walters
    Roman Gonzalez vs Akira Yaegashi
    Juan Francisco Estrada vs Giovani Segura
    Terence Crawford vs Yuriorkis Gamboa
    Vasyl Lomachenko vs Gary Russell Jr
    Naoya Inoue vs Omar Narvaez
    Kell Brook vs Shawn Porter
    2015
    Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao
    Miguel Cotto vs Saul Alvarez
    Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury
    Roman Gonzalez vs Edgar Sosa
    Roman Gonzalez vs Brian Viloria
    Juan Francisco Estrada vs Hernan Marquez
    Sergey Kovalev vs Jean Pascal
    Gennady Golovkin vs David Lemieux
    Krzysztof Glowacki vs Marco Huck
    2016
    Manny Pacquiao vs Tim Bradley
    Terence Crawford vs Viktor Postol
    Sergey Kovalev vs Jean Pascal
    Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward
    Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter
    Oleksandr Usyk vs Krzysztof Glowacki
    Leo Santa Cruz vs Carl Frampton
    Krzysztof Glowacki vs Steve Cunningham
    Roman Gonzalez vs Carlos Cuadras

    What do you think? Am I forgetting something? Should I have included the times Pongsaklek Wonjongkam fought Daisuke Naito? We have hundreds of title fights every year but I'm mostly just sampling from guys who are p4p top ten or so and the difficult fights they took against top guys in their divisions. Still, there were a lot of guys who were at the top of their division who just weren't elite and maybe their tough fights should count too. Or they were top contenders like Eubank vs Saunders, Makabu vs Mchunu, or Jacobs vs Quillin. Should those count too? Give me your thoughts. What in your opinion qualifies as the best fighting the best?
     
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  2. Terminator

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  3. bluzi

    bluzi Active Member Full Member

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    As years go by you can see the best is not really fighting the best ..... recent years have good fights , but its not the best vs the best.... its the best fighting good figthers.
     
  4. MrHello

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    What about Crawford vs Postol ?
     
  5. MrHello

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    It's a very good list ,one fight you could have put is Yamanaka vs Moreno
     
  6. The Long Count

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    Floyd vs Cotto

    Two undefeated hungry lions
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    So you are only happy with p4p top ten fighters fighting other p4p top ten fighters? But that's always been rare, and it happens just as often now as it ever has. Those ten guys are always spread out over 17 divisions and it's kind of rare for them to face more than 2 or 3 in a career. On average you get about ten match ups like that in a decade, and that's what we've got lately. Let me show you the history of this:

    1920s

    1. Harry Greb 2. Benny Leonard 3. Gene Tunney 4. Mickey Walker 5. Pancho Villa 6. Tommy Loughran 7. Jack Dempsey 8. Bud Taylor 9. Tony Canzoneri 10. Tiger Flowers

    Greb vs Tunney, Greb vs Walker, Greb vs Loughran, Greb vs Flowers, Tunney vs Loughran, Tunney vs Dempsey, Walker vs Flowers, Walker vs Britton, Pancho Villa vs McLarnin, Taylor vs McLarnin

    1930s

    1. Henry Armstrong 2. Joe Louis 3. Barney Ross 4. Tony Canzoneri 5. Jimmy McLarnin 6. Freddie Steele 7. Panama Al Brown 8. Benny Lynch 9. Jack Berg 10. Kid Chocolate

    Armstrong vs Ross, Ross vs Canzoneri, Ross vs McLarnin, Canzoneri vs Berg, Canzoneri vs Chocolate, McLarnin vs Leonard, Berg vs Chocolate

    1940s

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Ezzard Charles 3. Willie Pep 4. Joe Louis 5. Ike Williams 6. Manuel Ortiz 7. Sandy Saddler 8. Billy Conn 9. Jake LaMotta 10. Marcel Cerdan

    Robinson vs Armstrong, Robinson vs LaMotta, Charles vs Louis, Pep vs Saddler, Louis vs Conn, Lamotta vs Cerdan, Williams vs Gavilan

    1950s

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Archie Moore 3. Kid Gavilan 4. Rocky Marciano 5. Pascual Perez 6. Sandy Saddler 7. Gene Fullmer 8. Carmen Basilio 9. Joe Brown 10. Harold Johnson

    Robinson vs Gavilan, Robinson vs Fullmer, Robinson vs Basilio, Moore vs Marciano, Moore vs Johnson, Gavilan vs Basilio, Marciano vs Charles, Marciano vs Louis, Saddler vs Brown, Saddler vs Elorde, Basilio vs Fullmer

    1960s

    1. Eder Jofre 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Carlos Ortiz 4. Emile Griffith 5. Fighting Harada 6. Nino Benvenuti 7. Vicente Saldivar 8. Ruben Olivares 9. **** Tiger 10. Flash Elorde

    Jofre vs Harada, Jofre vs Saldivar, Ali vs Moore, Ortiz vs Elorde, Ortiz vs Brown, Griffith vs Benvenuti, Griffith vs Napoles, Griffith vs Tiger, Benvenuti vs Tiger, Tiger vs Fullmer, Tiger vs Foster,

    1970s

    1. Roberto Duran 2. Carlos Monzon 3. Jose Napoles 4. Alexis Arguello 5. Miguel Canto 6. Wilfredo Gomez 7. Carlos Zarate 8. Muhammad Ali 9. Bob Foster 10. Yoko Gushiken

    Monzon vs Napoles, Monzon vs Benvenuti, Monzon vs Griffith, Gomez vs Zarate, Ali vs Foster

    1980s

    1. Sugar Ray Leonard 2. Marvin Hagler 3. Salvador Sanchez 4. Michael Spinks 5. Tommy Hearns 6. Julio Cesar Chavez 7. Mike Tyson 8. Aaron Pryor 9. Larry Holmes 10. Jeff Chandler

    Leonard vs Hagler, Leonard vs Hearns, Leonard vs Duran, Hagler vs Hearns, Sanchez vs Gomez, Spinks vs Holmes, Pryor vs Arguello, Tyson vs Holmes, Tyson vs Spinks, Holmes vs Ali

    1990s

    1. Pernell Whitaker 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. James Toney 4. Evander Holyfield 5. Julio Cesar Chavez 6. Bernard Hopkins 7. Felix Trinidad 8. Ricardo Lopez 9. Oscar De La Hoya 10. Terry Norris

    Whitaker vs Chavez, Whitaker vs Trinidad, Whitaker vs De La Hoya, Jones vs Toney, Jones vs Hopkins, Holyfield vs Tyson, Holyfield vs Holmes, Chavez vs De La Hoya, Trinidad vs De La Hoya, Hopkins vs Trinidad, Norris vs Leonard

    2000s

    1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Bernard Hopkins 4. Erik Morales 5. Joe Calzaghe 6. Juan Manuel Marquez 7. Roy Jones Jr. 8. Marco Antonio Barrera 9. Rafael Marquez 10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

    Pacquiao vs Morales, Pacquiao vs Marquez, Pacquiao vs Barrera, Pacquiao vs De La Hoya, Mayweather vs Marquez, Mayweather vs De La Hoya, Hopkins vs Calzaghe, Hopkins vs Jones 2, Morales vs Barrera, Calzaghe vs Jones, Marquez vs Barrera

    2010s
    1.Nonito Donaire 2.Roman Gonzalez 3.Andre Ward 4. Sergio Martinez 5.Guillermo Rigondeaux 6.Sergey Kovalev 7.Saul Alvarez 8.Gennady Golovkin 9.Juan Francisco Estrada 10.Carl Froch (Darkhorses Lomachenko and Inoue waiting to steal somebodies place).

    Ward vs Froch, Donaire vs Rigondeaux, Mayweather vs Alvarez, Pacquiao vs Mayweather, Kovalev vs Hopkins, Gonzalez vs Estrada... and the decade is only half over.
     
  9. Reg

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    What was Miguel Cotto the best of in 2015?
     
  10. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Beautiful list.
     
  11. bluzi

    bluzi Active Member Full Member

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    Of course not , im just furstrated with boxing sometimes you are counting fights over a decade which is fine i guess , i just want more quality fights NOW , example : aside from Thurman vs porter , we got a "red hot" WW division , in which non of the top guys fight eachother , we have Rigo not getting any fights since doniare we have GGG being avoided in MW , we have Koavlev vs Stevenson not being made , we have a HW division where the top guys just wont fight each other (aside from Wlad) , and the list goes on and on .

    I guess if you want to make a point it was "always like this" , i can agree to it to some extent , but i get to see all the former fights on youtube , so for me a decade is actually nothing , while actually living in the time of the fights waiting for them to happen is crazy annoying, nothing like a good fight in a weekend , i get pumped and everything ,but when its really the best fighting the best , i devour all media and hype for months!!! Ward vs Kovalev will be great (best fighting the best no doubt) as i hope Wlad vs Fury.
    Someone asked about Crowford vs Postol - yes its the best fighting the best.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    If there is no great match up to be had at a great fighter's weight, then I'll take them moving up two weight classes to fight a good fighter instead. The difficulty level is probably the same as fighting a great fighter at their own weight. If the goal is to see great fighters finding their limits in challenging fights then this should qualify.

    At the time, this was a very impressive fight and a lot of people didn't think Jones could do it. Jones was still a light heavyweight and Ruiz was a champion at heavyweight about 40 pounds north of where Jones was fighting. Capturing belts from middleweight all the way to heavyweight was a hell of an accomplishment, even if Jones wasn't fighting Lennox Lewis for the lineal title.

    Think of it like Roberto Duran fighting Iran Barkley. Was Barkley this amazing phenom like Leonard, Hagler, or Hearns? No. But he was good and at middleweight Duran was moving up four weight calsses, twenty-five pounds from his best weight to fight him. That is the stuff of greatness and a great fight.
     
  13. Odins beard

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    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    brings a tear to my eye to ctrl f "marco antonio barrera" and have his name show up so many times.
     
  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I mentioned them for 2016.

    While I personally don't think he was the best of anything, he was always a very good fighter, was riding high off of the Martinez win, held the lineal middleweight title, and had put together a string of victories. A lot of people thought Freddie Roach and him were an excellent team and had given Cotto's career a second wind.

    Not as good as Lewis vs Klitschko, since Tyson was past his best, but sometimes the best fighting the best also means the best fighting older fighters who used to be the best. Great fighters often don't meet when both are in their primes.

    But anyway the public had been clamoring for this one for years and it still holds the distinction of being the fourth biggest pay per view ever.