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  1. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    An A-side draw picking the fight that is considered harder, is less lucrative and lower profile over one that is seen as less of a challenge but is more high profile and lucrative? :think

    What made me think of this is the rash of complaints about Floyd possibly fighting Cotto or Canelo at JMW or MW instead of GGG or Khan at WW instead of Brook or Thurman for his next fight. Or Cotto/Canelo pursuing Floyd or one another at JMW or MW instead of GGG.

    The fighter must be an A-side guy or at least an equal draw in the "easier", higher profile, less lucrative light and the clear A-side in the "harder", lower profile, less lucrative fight. Please list the fight chosen AND the fight that was passed over.

    It's definitely extremely rare. The best example
    I can think of is a fight that sadly never even happened. In '82 Leonard signed to fight Pryor as his next fight after a stay busy title defense against Lafford and was scheduled to make $4mil for the Pryor bout. Ray was 3 years removed from splitting fights with Duran, each of which earned him more than $8mil. SRL had also knocked out Hearns in one of the greatest fights of all time less than a year ago in a fight that earned him a then sub-HW record of $11mil. A Duran rubber match or Hearns rematch would surely have netted Ray far, far more than the $4mil he'd make from the Pryor fight. It's debatable whether a Pryor fight would have been seen as more dangerous than meeting Hearns at 154 for a rematch, who had looked good in beating 3 overmatched opponents since being beaten by Ray. But Pryor had to be considered more dangerous at the time to boxing fans who had watched Benitez and Kirklaind Lang outbox Duran since the Leonard fight while Pryor had won a JWW title by knocking out possibly the greatest JWW ever in Antonio Cervantes and then defending the title 6 times, all via stoppage. Then throw in the rumors (whether they were true or not) about SRL moving up to WW in the pros to avoid Pryor at JWW. The fight never materialized after Ray had to retire before the Lafford fight due to his detached retina.

    That's the best one I could think of. Give me yours.
     
  2. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    The problem with this thoery and thread is you have to believe that the B side oppoent is actually a harder fight. In the case you stated theres no way to know if GGG is a harder fight then Canelo or Cotto. for all we know, that guy can get the **** boxed out of him by Floyd. in which would mean that fighting Cotto again was actually the harder fight expect for GGG.

    Khan is a tougher fight then Brook. Brook gets boxed up, Khan has a greater chance. so just your 2 options by themselves i totally disagree with and would make your theroy irrelvant because it wouldnt be true at all.

    It would take me sometime to come up with some but i'll see if I can
     
  3. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Explain how choosing examples you disagree would make the question irrelevant. You can choose your own modern examples to fit the question but it will have literally zero impact on what is being asked. There is no "theory" here so I don't know what you mean by that. There is just a question. Can you think of examples of this happening? Whether you like the examples or not should have no bearing on the relevance of the question or thread :lol:

    So again, please explain how choosing examples you don't agree with makes the question irrelevant.
     
  4. pablinov

    pablinov Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo fighting Lara. Canelo could have chosen a lesser challenge for more $$$ . I dont know the numbers but I believe Canelo made a lot more $$$ fighting Kirkland than Lara
     
  5. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And if you had read what I wrote carefully you would see that I did not even make a case that those examples you took issue with were accurate representations of the scenario I laid out. I only said that the flood of complaints I have seen on this forum from many different posters about this subject had got me thinking about whether there were examples of that scenario actually playing out throughout history in a way that accurately fulfills the tenants of the "theory" , as you call it.

    I presented an example that I think did that very well.
     
  6. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good one :thumbsup

    Didn't give the fight he chose it over it but there are multiple that he could have chosen that would probably have been at least as lucrative and much less challenging.
     
  7. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Timothy Bradley vs Ruslan Provodnikov?

    Bradley said he took it to prove that he could fight a more aggressive style, or is Ruslan too big of a name to count? Bradley was coming off a Pacquiao "win", he surely could've chosen ANYONE else, lol. He chose a well-feared man who isn't extremely well-known, was 4 KO in his last 5 fights, and to prove something.
     
  8. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good shout, abuffy!
     
  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Well...

    Shane turned down a third fight against oscar de la hoya, for much less money and a harder fight in winky wright.
     
  10. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Correct me if im wrong, but Morales wanted the challenge of facing Raheems style... he could have went straight into another pac fight for tons of cash against a guy he just beat, instead took on the overlooked Raheem.
     
  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Good one :good
     
  12. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mosley fighting Wright and to a lesser extent Forest were the first two to spring to my mind.
     
  13. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You beat me to it, Mosley choosing Winky who had been pretty much stalled out by mostly everyone else at JMW is a great example.
     
  14. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good shouts, everyone!
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Barrera Pacquiao 1 is the best I can think of.

    Who the hell knew who Pacquiao was in 2003? The fight wasn't even on PPV.

    And as we found out Pacquiao was a monster at the lower weights.