Excellent boxers with a single glaring liability (one terrible attribute)

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Chisoras lack of power hinders his ability at the top level. He's a pressure fighter without a punch, that's not going to do you any favors in the HW division.
     
  2. Cafe

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    Yeah, Chisora annoys me in that respect, he fights and looks like a puncher, yet really doesn't have any power, it's an annoying combination.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Because as great as he is #48 was a much better athlete than JMM was. It's one of the reasons why PBF could deal with him easier than JMM could due to him being a better natural athlete than them both. PBF was the faster in both hand foot and reflexes than #48 was.
     
  4. tinman

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    Floyd dealt with Marquez easier because he was 35 years old and just taken 24 rounds of total bombs from Pacquiao.

    And Floyd cheated on the scales.

    Don't try and put the Marquez Pac fought and the Marquez Floyd fought on even playing field.

    Pacquiao took on a much more primed Marquez. So you're comparison is fundamentally flawed because you didn't consider that variable.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Hey dummy PBF would beat any version of JMM he's a horrible styles matchup and it's the reason why JMM never wanted a rematch despite the fact he would have gotten a career high payday and a shot at redemption. JMM was willing to fight #48 4 times because he knew he could beat him but realized after only one fight against PBF that it was pointless.:deal
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great response. You totally ignore the content of my post because you got owned.

    Then you go dealing in hypothetical.

    You're comparison is dog **** because you're comparing different versions of Marquez.
     
  7. schooling

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    when I think of fighters who can't make adjustments I think of rios or ruslan


    Now you worded it different you said he is not great at making adjustments that I agree but to say he can't make adjustments at all is crazy
     
  8. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    I should note that Chisora isn't what I would call "excellent" but his lack of a punch REALLY hinders his ability, I think he'd be a lot better if he could punch.
     
  9. schooling

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    Gloves makes a great point though if he is so bad at making adjustments like you say how come marquez himself who's best thing is making adjustments struggled also?

    Like I told you before pimp Pac is not the greatest at making adjustments but he can do it very well at that level for him to only really struggle with marquez and mayweather in nearly all of his fights show something in itself.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Also, when you actually step into the ring with a prime ATG adjustments are hard to make.

    Why didn't Duran make adjustments against Hearns?

    Why didn't Pacquiao makes better adjustments against Marquez?

    Why didn't Toney make adjustments against Jones Jr?

    It's called getting hit in the face and the other guy is really great.
     
  11. schooling

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    Marquez still could not get away from the left hand in all the fights does that mean he is bad at making adjustments?

    Pac is not the best at making adjustments but pimp is trying to say he can't make adjustments at all which is laughable
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You didn't own anyone dummy. You infact have been owned anyone who knows boxing already knows PBF beats any version of JMM because PBF is better at being JMM than he is.:deal If JMM was half as confident in his ability to beat PBF he would have rematched him but he knew he had no chance.
    But what else would I expect form you? You don't know **** about boxing can't ****yze styles and think that #48 had better speed and footwork than RJJ FFS.:rofl
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly, Marquez still kept getting rocked with the lefts.

    People say don't get hit with the left hands. Well how exactly is that easily done?
     
  14. VG_Addict

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    It also comes down to physical abilities. Floyd is faster, bigger, stronger, taller, and has a longer reach than Marquez.

    No version of Marquez has a chance in hell of beating Floyd.
     
  15. Rumsfeld

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    It was weird, because every once in a blue moon, Shane's jab would look fairly decent. But 95% of the time, you're right!

    One fight I remember his jab seeming pretty good was against Margo, and I attributed that to Naazim. But maybe it wasn't as good as I remembered it that night, and even if it was, barring the jab to the body against Floyd that set up his first big right hand in round 2, that was the only fight under Richardson I remember his jab looking any good.