EXCESSIVE HOLDING IN BOXING

Referees discretion

 

Yeah no one wants to see that. Whether or not it's enforced is basically down to A-side privilege.

Ryan walking away from round 7 with a 9-8 score is criminal.

 

I would pay for that.

 

Ultimately boxing is a crooked sport, and clinching is one of the foremost ways a favoured fighter can shut down an aggressive but unfavoured fighter, so punishments against holding are always going to be selectively enforced.

 

depends. i was screaming about this back with john ruiz in his pomp. just let him sit in a clinch he will fall apart. the breaking of a clinch saves the one who clinches. it might turn ugly. but let it turn ugly and let the fighters get embarressed or disnterested in doing so. also it removes a lot of the infighting game. watch enough duran or montell griffin to know that being inside with a camped hand doesnt mean the action is over. it doesnt even need to be bad fighting its just another way of skinning a cat.

 

I feel like smoger was good in that regard

 

Boxing is corrupt and certain rules are followed by refs and judges.
1.Always protect the A side. For example, Bayless was Floyd’s personal body guard. We saw the same with Dock and Haney. The judges awarded Canelo several fights he actually lost.
2. When an American fights an Eastern European or other foreigner in the US, the ref and judges will favor the American. Kovalev-Ward I and II are good examples. Haney-Loma another.

This crap plays out over and over again.

 

Think the problem is that clinching and holding are seen as the same thing.

Clinching for me is when you are still looking to get off punches in close or maneuver the opponent into a position.

Holding as I see it is when you don't like to fight in close or have no inside fighting skills and blatantly just hold on for dear life to stop the opponent trying to hit you.

Refs who generally let fighters fight in the clinch or try anyway suddenly for certain fighters break it up ASAP.

I wonder why that is.

Also they should take points for blatant holding.

If someone grabs hold without showing any desire to throw a punch or gain a positional advantage.

Should be a warning then a point.

No one wants to see a grown man trying to hold another grown man(well some might but each to their own) like you do your missus when you've had a few and trying to get a bit.

 

Ruiz in his prime was ridiculous with the holding, I think Andre Ward modelled himself off of Johnny.

 

When the whole world idolises and lauds a serial clincher as the greatest of all time, it's pretty hard to eradicate the clinch.

 

Andre Ward made a career of it and the whole US boxing community has not and never will mention it.

 

Yeah it is getting out of control. Makes it incredibly boring to watch when you have a fighter who keeps holding. John Ruiz, Wladamir Klitschko were masters of it. Frustrating for the fighting and the viewer. Refs need to be way stricter with it. Warn them once then deduct points. It would soon stop then.

 

I remember when referees would actively pull at boxers arms to stop them from holding, which in turn left them vulnerable and often resulted in them eating free shots
Good times.

Refs be like: "No, no. I won´t let you force me to reset the action. I will make sure you get punched in the face for trying to clinch."