Excitingly Crude!

Gratien Tonna
Frankie De Paula
Dennis Andries
Freddie Mills
Marcel Thil
Oscar Bonavena.

 

I wouldn't consider Hatton crude.

Ricky had good skills.

 

I was thinking similar, hence the question mark. But he did have a tendency to throw himself off balance, leave himself open and get a bit wild with that left hook.

Plus I just wanted to carry on the Manchester theme.

 

Stylistically and at first glance he seems like a crude fighter with a caveman style, but as we have seen thus far he is much more skilled, crafty, effective than given credit, much like Moon or Maidana. I'd still classify them as "excitingly crude".

 

Although to be fair, those guys never did what he did in the Estrada rematch.

 

To this day I will never understand why he would do such a bone-headed move in that rematch. He pretty much handed over the WBC to Estrada, and it was only in the later rounds that he reverted back to his old stance when he desperately needed to and already became much more effective. It's much like Hagler-Leonard only 3x worse.

 

Recently, Provodnikoff.
In the past, Two Ton Tony Galento.

 

Nothing whatsoever crude about Frazier. Cant believe you even mentioned him

 

Max Baer

 

Tell me what frazier did skilfully? He didn’t set up his shots with feints or mix up his attacks AT ALL, he fought in a rhythm the whole fight, bobbing and weaving and constantly coming forward and broke them down with constant pressure and constantly throwing, the only thing remotely skill full what he did was how he went to the body then to the head inside, but all short fighters do that
Dwight Muhammad Qawi is basically a very skilful version of Frazier, bobbed and weaved and could keep coming, but he set his attacks up very well and used his jab to get is, he would sneak into range or mid range and the shoot that jab up from the ground and would get in and he also could counterpunch and was very good defensively
Look, I dont not rate frazier at all, I think he’s one of the greatest of all time, I just see very little boxing ability in what he did but, (understatement here), he was very effective

 

Srisaket Sor Rungvisai?? He has good upper body movement in terms of sneakily shifting himself into range, he is good at setting his attacks up from the outside to get in and goes to the body and head nicely, and I seen in the Roman gonzalez 2 fight he was mixing it up on the outside and inside, he was stepping in with rights to the body, he was good at measuring the distance and throwing the right shots at the right time, he was shifting himself to his right to get the left and closer sneakily and throwing the left to then get in, he was beating Gonzalez at his own game

 

This thread is made for Frank "The Animal" Fletcher, longevity aside. Low on ability and skill but big on heart and willingness. Tho his career was exceedingly short the aforementioned attributes led to a few memorable little wars.

One top writer once said "Frank thinks defense is something you build around de house."

 

oh yes, so specific