Expert opinions on Frazier vs Tyson

It's funny how lenni gets such a huge pass for losing to nobodies like McCall and rahman, but for Tyson it will be held against him for eternity.

 

Louis got shellacked by a past prime has been in Schmeling (who had a record of 4-3-1 in his 8 bouts prior to facing Joe). Liston had his jaw broken against light hitting former light heavy in Marshall. Jimmy Young embarrassed Foreman so bad that George retired. Lennox Lewis got smashed in 2 by a then "current" and not former crackhead in Oliver McCall. Wlad got embarrassed a few times against lesser opponents than Douglas. Vitali quit against Byrd in a match he was up by 9 rounds or more.

These things happen in boxing. There are plenty other examples but I chose these off the top of my head.

 

Frazier has the heart and will to win and the ability to fight 15 tough quick rounds. All of this he is a grade or several grades above Tyson. IF the fight somehow drags on past round 8 Frazier is winning by stoppage in the championship rounds. He will take Tysons heart away. HOWEVER I don't see this scenario unfolding. Frazier was a notorious slow starter and Tyson super quick and deadly out of the gate. Tyson gets to Frazier early probably via a short counter hook as Joe comes out of a crouch and ends it soon after. Tyson tko round 4.

 

Ali was never able hit Norton as cleanly, as often as he did Joe Frazier. He was able to pepper Frazier he never peppered Norton. Also Frazier fought more than one puncher. Quarry was a puncher, Manuel Ramos could punch and Bonavena was a slugger.

 

That could have something to do with the fact that Lennox Lewis had the character and the will to get back into the ring with those guys who knocked him out and beat them in return bouts.

This **** isn`t really that complicated.

 

He still lost fights he shouldn't have. That doesn't change the fact he should not have lost those fights. By beating those avg fighters in rematches is hardly a thing of character as he didnt have a choice but to rematch them and it doesn't change the fact that he should not have lost to them in the first place. Rematching the likes of McCall and rahman is not like Rematching a Joe frazier, George Foreman or ali.

 

All the heart and will in the world is pointless against a young Tyson. Larry Holmes learnt the hard way, doubt you will find a fighter with his heart, will power.

It's funny how Tyson is the only guy in history to have ever obliterated holmes in such a devastating manner and if just gets brushed aside by haters as if it never happened.

 

Forget it, you are just talking to haters.

 

I picked Tyson to win. Learn to read.

 

Simple.

Lewis manned up and avenged his losses. Tyson never, ever did.

 

If someone needs manning up to avenge defeats to the likes of McCall and rahman then there is a serious problem with that fighter.

For the record it was douglas who refused a rematch with Tyson.

 

You do realize that was not a very good version of Holmes?

 

The same version of Holmes who went to beat ray mercer, give the likes of holyfield and McCall competitive fights.

Indeed. More excuses to brush aside Tysons accomplishments

 

True but there is a sense of perspective about all these fighters particularly when it comes to h2h match ups.

With Tyson (amongst certain posters) there is none.

The default setting with these people when Tyson is matched with someone (no matter how tough, brave and talented they were) is "Tyson destroys them", "Tyson KO3, 2 or 1" "Tyson puts them on a stretcher...blah blah"

The fact Tyson was proven vulnerable, that he was proven to have weaknesses, that he was proven to not dominate the better fighters he met, that he was proven to have quit, been TKO'd and KO'd is either glossed over, excused or ignored.

For example someone posted in another thread that Douglas avoided a rematch with Tyson with the clear insinuation that he was fearful of meeting Mike again, even after the whipping Douglas gave him.

I mean there is really no basis in reality to claim such s hit but Tyson fanboys claim stuff like this all the time to big their hero up.

 

Lewis>>>>>>>Tyson with ease. I wouldn't be bringing up a guy whose resume and reign ****s all over Mikes and who embarrassed him when they fought if I was trying to deflect attention from Tyson's shortcomings that's for sure.

And Buster fought Evander Holyfield who was next in line for a title shot (and earned a shedload of money doing so), Tyson was behind in the queue.

Douglas lost and quit he sure as hell didn't avoid Mike and why would he considering how easy he whipped him?