Expert opinions on Frazier vs Tyson

I never suggested he was," the be all and end all" ,but he clearly did his research .Your tag partner here says Ali threw more punches, you are saying Ali threw a large volume so which of you should we take notice of? Im not rewriting history Ive asked both of you to point out any untruths in my post .Please do so!
Me childish? You are the two making personal remarks about me because I happen to disagree with you! I grew up watching both of them fight and liked them both too.
I say Tyson is bigger ,faster,has a better variety of punches,a better chin and ,a real important asset two handed power.

In return all you can offer is," Frazier had heart".
Sorry that's not enough. imo He gets beat up here.But I am not peeved at you for disagreeing with me, so maybe I'm not the childish one here?

 

Yeah, I actually scored it a draw a few months ago during our Fight of the Week series.

 

I thought Frazier won the fight and that Mercante a great ref ,was generous to Ali with his card.

 

[QUOTE="robert ungurean, post: 19910229, member: 18695"]And where did Phil Pepe get his info? Why is Phil Pepe the end all to be all here. Yea Frazier was exhausted after that fight. Wouldn't you be seeing the pressure and volume of punches Frazier through. He just won the greatest HWC fight in history against a bigger taller faster man no less.
Yes I know all about the blood pressure as I mentioned it and it plagued him his entire life. As far as bruising some fighters bruise just practically from looking at them while others can come out unmarked from wars just like guys who cut easy so dont come at me with that dumb #### that you know better about.
Like I said go visit the many Ali Frazier threads if this is the rout you want to go. Doesn't change the fact Tyson never ever beat an ATG who wasnt either past prime or a blown up light Heavyweight. He had quit in him Frazier didn't. Case closed I'm moving on. I'm not getting sucked into your childish rewriting of history to suite your needs. Ali no different than Leonard from Duran 1 full of excuses nothing but excuses. Two peas in a pod. Both got there asses Kicked but already had the excuses lined up lol.[/QUOTE]
The underlined is silly and irrelevant because it fits so many heavyweights, Marciano,Jeffries.Louis,Dempsey to name four.
Oh and that blown up light heavyweight scaled 212 1.4 lbs of muscle which would put him comfortably among the heaviest men Frazier beat.Another point Frazier unified the title by beating blown up light heavyweight Jimmy Ellis who weighed 201lbs in fact Frazier only beat 2 rated fighters who weighed as much as Spinks did for the Tyson fight ,Ali and Bugner.
Yes you move on Friend ,you're winning nothing here!
See you on another thread ,take care.
No hard feelings from this end.

 

I have no animosity towards you. I just disagree. I stand by the two most important things here and these are facts. Tyson lost in the biggest upset in HWC history and got his ### Handed to him twice by a past it ATG in Holy. Frazier on the underhand won FOTC against arguably the greatest HW ever and did it on pure heart and determination against a man who had every physical advantage except power.
I'm not in cohorts with anyone on this forum. Theres just a few guys I agree with alot of things on just like you. I see you just picked one up now too.
Listen man this is all I have to say on it. You think Tyson is better fine I dont care. I think Frazier is and when the chips were down he won the big one. Tyson never did. I'm done now. Nothing personal like u may think. I'm here for enjoyment man not arguing especially on a cell phone lol

 

I dont even respond to you man. We both know why and I'm not rehashing it or getting into it again. I have absolutely 0 to say to you.

 

Cool, whatever floats your boat. If you want to keep quiet from now on when I address the reasoning in your posts, that’s fine with me.

 

I don't want anything to do with you because I know you're agender and that's all I'm going to say

 

@Rainer : Are you aware of debating with #1 Tyson hater on this board since Foxy ? And btw, absolute #1 global Liston fapper?

What some of this stuff? https://www.boxing_scene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=658876

"Mike Tyson’s armor came with a major *****. His chin was relatively nonexistent. It was never really tested, but it failed on those rare occasions that he needed it."

"Liston only had 1 legit loss since both his fights with Ali were fixed, and the martin ko was when he was a very old man."

Very objective poster!

There is not much more to say.
No matter if you put Frazier against Tua, Ruddock, Bruno, Ibeabuchi, Morrison, Lewis, Wlad or Liston. things might get very ugly for him at times.

Sure. Frazier would be fresh as a daisy after tons of 6'4" SHW jabs for 10 rounds, followed by a vicious uppercut, a right hook, a left hook, a straight right hand and full swung straight left hand on the left side of the temple

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No I wasn't ,thanks for the heads up.I've no problem with posters taking the opposite opinion to mine why would I have?
I' m just puzzled why some take it so personally?

 

I'm hoping you dont think I'm taking it personally
I'm just stating my opinions and I'm very opinionated lol.
But please understand something I didnt mention. I trained at Fraziers. I got to talk to Joe and Marvis many times about alot of boxing topics. I also spoke to Willie Monroe a few times who was in Joe's corner in Manilla so you know we talked about that one. Val Colbert a trainer there was also a wealth of info for me. I spent a while at Marvis house who was kind enough to give me a peice of personal memorabilia for one of my boys who boxed at the time. So add that with all the books and hundreds of magazines I owned I got a pretty good amount of off the record info that I find more valuable than say Pepes book on Frazier.
I'm not here looking for arguments like I said I just try an present things to the best of my writing capabilities which isnt much lol.

 

No we are good I expect we will disagree about lots of things,[if I stay here,]but it's only a bit of entertainment isn't it?