Expert opinions on Frazier vs Tyson

Bonavena probably hit harder than Douglas anyway.

Douglas was only a fair puncher at best but put Tyson down for the count admittedly after beating Tyson's head in for 9 rounds beforehand. But Tyson fans would have you believe his chin was virtually impregnable and it wasn't. It was very, very good but wasn't that much better than Joe's imo although his defense was better than Joe's.

I doubt Tyson remains standing if he shipped the punishment Frazier did against Foreman either.

I don't give any version of Douglas any chance against a peak Frazier either for what it's worth.

 

Tyson will obliterate frazier with combinations, left hook, right hands and upper cuts. Frazier apart from his left hook and his inferior, predictable bobbing weaving style has nothing to offer.

 

Ali was no massive puncher himself.

 

I completely disagree. He rarely even quite without taking a horrific beating. Nobody who doesn't have heart goes life and death with Ruddock twice, and takes prolonged beatings from Douglas and Lewis. Too bad it wasn't you on the other end of those punches, then I'm sure you'd have a different opinion.

 

What foul did he commit against douglas, Lewis, Williams and McBride? You have to be an absolute idiot to hold the McBride fight against him when he was just fighting to pay his bills.

And let's not pretend holyfield was a clean fighter, I can post a YouTube video showing the fouls he committed in the Tyson fight.

The definition of heart is staying on your feet for 10 plus rounds and not being staggered inspite of taking jab after jab, left hook after left hook, right hand after right hand, upper cut after upper cut to the face. Any human being will eventually go down because of the accumulation factor and stamina issues.

Frazier showed no heart at all in the foreman fight, heck lyle showed more heart, atleast he got up and did something rather than getting up only to go down like a little girl with effortless ease.

 

Like I said, I show examples of why I disagree with this assessment. As to the McBride fight before criticising Tyson you have to ask yourself what was Frazier doing at aged 38? He probably was in a hot tub drinking a beer.

 

Frazier`s bobbing style of defense would be bad against an explosive puncher like Mike Tyson. The uppercuts that Foreman caught Joe with would be coming much faster and in combination.

I love Joe and I think he beats some other great heavyweights but Tyson isn`t one of them.

PS

Frazier may beat post prison Tyson because Mike was a 3 round fighter by then nowhere near what he once was.

 

Still using yahoo for your posts i see?........let me guess, you are this guy as well?
https://tw.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20141104031908AAi2ZS4

 

Yeah Frazier showed no heart against Foreman you utter re ****.

He only kept getting up, even though he was badly hurt and kept right on coming against a fukking monsterous puncher, basically purely on instinct. He didn't sit on his ars e fumbling for a mouthpiece or resort to biting someone's ear off because he was getting beaten unlike someone else we all know.

Heart is keeping on getting up when hurt, keeping on trying to win, still fighting while half blind, never quitting, never resorting to fouls etc etc. Frazier would've rather die than do what Tyson did against McBride for one.

I don't know who wins this but if it came down to a battle of wills between Tyson and Frazier then I'd bet the house on Joe.

 

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Out of interest do you think Ruddock even managed to throw and land as many punches in both of his fights with Tyson as Douglas did in just the one fight with him?:roll:

Show us how he fought back gamely when he was getting hit in the way he was against Holy, Douglas, and Lewis, not when he is landing 4 and taking the odd one in return.

In fact just show us a fight in which he was getting well beaten and turned it around to win.