Expert opinions on Marciano VS Liston

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by swagdelfadeel, Dec 9, 2017.


Liston VS Marciano

  1. Liston by KO

  2. Liston by TKO

  3. Liston by UD

  4. Liston by MD/SD

  5. Draw

  6. Marciano by KO

  7. Marciano by TKO

  8. Marciano by UD

  9. Marciano by MD/SD

  10. No contest

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well apparently it's desperately required around here.
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yes. I was just about to post, it'd be great (especially for beginners) and help people better understand the "Styles make fights" concept.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    Very much so mate. Good to see you posting a bit too. Where is Manassa nowadays? Does he frequent any forums?
     
  4. McGrain

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    Nah, he pops up on Twitter now and again but it's as much football as boxing I reckon.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Shame. Tho i'd never tell him back in the day he was as good as it gets.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But joe Frazier never used the term “style advantage” did he? He talked about styles. He talked about ways to overcome all styles (strategy) just as everyone else does. But nobody uses the word “advantage” after the word “style”.

    I accept there are strengths within each style. I accept styles exist. I except styles are important just as everyone else does. There are limitations to each style. But it is strategy or tactics that makes the fighter successful.

    In fact I have a hunch There are less uses of the term “style advantage” than the term “limbo style” being used to describe the ingle boxers.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Yes.

    He talked specifically about the strenghts of one style intersecting with the weakness of the other.

    He didn't say "THIS IS A STYLE ADVANTAGE". I am using the term style advantage as two words to describe what he is describing specifically here.

    I can't see how it matters even a bit.

    Call it "limbo bimbo style" as that seems to make you so happy.

    Call it what you like; I couldn't care less.
     
  8. choklab

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    thank you. Thank the sweet lord you finally get that. He did not say Stlyle advantage. Nobody but you uses the term “style advantage”. It’s misleading because it indicates an actual insurmountable advantage between one style other the other. When in truth we all accept the right strategy will allow any style of fighter to beat any style of fighter with his own style. Even yourself.

    which is what I am talking about. And what I and everybody recognises in boxing. The specific strengths of one style intersecting with the weakness of the other. It’s only advantageous if the strategy rather than the style itself allows it.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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  10. McGrain

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    Only to you you fruit loop. And even then, once I said to you, four, five times, that an insurmountable advantage isn't what is meant by that phrase, I would expect any adult to be able to absorb that information.

    Ten pages later, you're still on about it.

    Yeah, it's obvious. I covered it off pages and pages and pages ago.

    In this most recent post I told you to call it anything you want. I really don't see what else I can do to help you.

    Individual styles have advantages over other individual styles (note: this means EXACTLY the same thing as "style advantage" but because that phrase - literally - triggers you, I will type "Individual styles have advantages over other individual styles" from now on).

    If you accept that Individual styles have advantages over other individual styles, inherently, then we agree and there is nothing else to discuss.
     
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  11. choklab

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    Well I can see we are both agreeing with the same things I said all along it is the wording I dispute rather than much of the details. Individual styles can have advantages over other individual styles. All other styles.
     
  12. mcvey

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    I thought he had some insight into reading fights especially for one so young,but he was an arrogant little f*cker!
    If he re-joined our throng ,I think it could be a positive.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    :D
     
  14. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Ummm.... Why did you bump a 3 year old thread.... to say one 4 letter word and not contributing anything yourself?