Expert opinions on Marciano VS Liston

And guys like Foreman, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, the Klitschkos can't ?!???
Foreman would use Marciano's head for a bowling bowl.

 

Ok, but I was talking about men over 215 (what we today would call proper HW's) when I mentioned Shavers poor KO percentage.
Also, punching power is evidenced by a guy KO'ing people in the first few rounds (the way Foreman and Tyson did), not waiting for them to get tired and then knocking them down. That showcases stamina, not punching power.

 

Only six men in the history of the HW division knocked out men sooner. Believe it to be Foreman, Liston, Louis, Tyson, Lewis and Frazier. Pretty good company. And when I say sooner maybe a round between best and worst. Despite some people’s false opinion Marciano wasn’t just an attrition puncher. He had power in both hands...Liston and Marciano both averages 4.9 rounds a fight

 

No it was based on who was in the family for the 1930 census versus who was in the 1940 senses. Charles didn’t make the 1930 one because he had not been born yet. But he was there by 1940 as a ten year old. It fits.

If you want to believe Sonny Liston was really one of the older brothers it doesn’t add up. Who assumed the identity of the older brother once Sonny assumed the younger brothers identity? And if he isn’t Sonny where did the younger brother go? Then there are police records that show the guy we know as Sonny within the age the census says he was when arrested.

But good luck proving one of The older Liston boys ceased to exist in time for Sonny to assume the identity of a missing younger brother. Have fun with that.

 

The younger brother didn't cease to exist, they simply swapped places/names. And it's just a theory.

 

good luck proving that one. Muhammad did stop great fighters though.

I have not deleted anything.

take a look at the film.

 

So is flat earth.

 

You really think that Ali was better puncher than Rocky and Schmeling? I agree that he's underrated by many boxing fans, but this is a bit too much.

 

Disagree, especially with Schmeling.

 

Bump.

 

One thing I'm sure of, this wouldn't have been another Liston vs. Patterson type match. Rocky would have gone in there and tried to win, with a clear head, the same as he always did. He would not have appeared as one hypnotized or frozen with fear. (As Evander Holyfield once said, before the 1st Tyson fight: "This time you'll have 2 guys, both trying to win.") I'm not predicting a Marciano win. Sonny's style was most certainly poison for Rocky's style. What I am saying is that the best part of Rocky Marciano's career was built around him beating fighters he wasn't supposed to beat. He would have approached this fight the same way, for better or worse.

I want to add that, when Muhammad Ali was about to fight Sonny Liston the first time, I said that the vibrations surrounding this fight make me think that something weird could be about to happen. I felt the same way before the rematch. There's nothing Scientific or provable about feelings, but sometimes feelings work for you. If this fight had actually happened, I am sure I would have had the same feelings about it. I could even envision this fight ending in a weird way that would have left a lot unresolved. Again...just a feeling.

Down through the decades of watching boxing, I've seen an awful lot of weird things happen in the ring. I love this sport!

 

Some stuff that belongs on the table and probably is most likely tucked away inside these 40 pages. Rocky survived the big punchers, Walcott was one and Moore another he was down very briefly.

We never saw the extent of his chin. So I’m not imagining this is going to be a stoppage like folks insist for some reason. Most likely anyways. Liston is similar in that we didn’t see the ceiling till the Martin fight where he wasn’t himself let’s be fair.

The thing is the greatest adversity Liston overcome was either Williams whom really is nothing but a puncher and it wasn’t a two way fight at all or Zora... now I’m not a clever guy but both of those guys are laughable achievements when you compare it to what Rocky overcame. That’s against Ezzard plausibly the most skilled fighter ever, easily one of the most educated and brilliant minded, Moore whom needs no introduction and Walcott.

All three also happened to have a better means of delivery and Rocky looked cute in there at times and happened to not be too savvy at taking away a jab. Liston wasn’t close to the boxer they were don’t even @ me.

So we’ve got Rocky who we know can walk through fire and catch much, much better boxers. We know he can punch very, very hard. we know he can punch for a long time and he’s up there with the inside fighters at HW.

How is Liston going to respond when the Rock has him? which will happen very quickly. We’ve never even seen Liston in a REAL fight up close requiring guts. We do know he has quit but that’s a whole other can of worms.

Rocky made a career of it, that’s the fight it’s going to be because Rocky always turns it into his fight, Goldman designed his whole style around taking away the advantages men like Liston had on the Rock. Marciano couldn’t afford to do it any other way.

What exactly has Liston shown us? He’s not the boxer of Walcott, Moore or Charles so Rocky’s getting in he’s no inside fighter unless your Patterson... I think this is a styles thing, I think Marciano is going to get inside and just keep swinging till Liston stops moving.