Expert opinions on Marciano VS Liston

If a fighter uses predominantly the same style all the time for every single fight he can still win against every style of fighter (all things being equal) if he works hard enough and prevents the other guy from doing what he’s good at.

 

Not in the way you do. No.

A tall guy with a long reach has an advantage if he boxes. But he has the advantage because he’s tall. And because he boxes. So saying a boxer is a “style advantage” in itself is not an unconditional thing.

A boxer who is the exact same dimension as a swarmer or a slugger (or what ever you want to call them) only wins if what he can do prevents the other style of fighters doing what they can do to him.

Imagine there was a style called “limbo sumo” where the boxer punches from an elusive limbo dancing style who between pirouettes can lean sumo wrestling style all over the opposition, what “style advantage” would that present?.

Now I want a yes or no answer to this one mind.

 

In your opinion of course. However over the years we have seen plenty brawler types beat rangey boxers and vice versa. Like i said before, the result of a bout depends on the ability of the protagonists not what style they have imo

 

I understand you believe in ingrained advantages because of style on an all things being equal basis. Because you said so.

I said a tall guy. Now if I say a guy is tall I’m talking abought a guy with height advantage. Stop being pedantic.

well ok answer it another way. Mr limbo sumo fights mr swarmer. All things being equal. Who wins and why?

 

This just cracked me up lol

 

No one is saying the Brawler can't beat the rangy boxer. I say if the boxer has a good chin, he's going to win 80% of the time or more vs. the Brawler, especially in the mid to lower weights.

Bust suppose the abilities, ages, and weights are close enough. Then I bet the styles formula rings true at least 60% of the time ( I'd guess 70% or higher ) , meaning there is some value in it.

 

Intelligent well thought out answer well done

 

no I don’t believe in anything being ingrained. Rules are to be broken.

getting there.

no the tall guy who boxes can’t have a disadvantage when he wins can he? Thomas Hearns beat Roldan didn’t he and any amount of swarmers. Ray Robinson beat swarmers into the crapper. He flushed them. Each style beats each other style. The advantage is with the guy who more successfully uses his style. It’s not the style itself.

it depends on how successfully mr sumo-limbo employs his unconventional technique dosnt it? I can see the swarmer irritated to absolute madness until the frustration neutralises him into total ineptness just as many times. All things being equal.

 

I respect your answer although I don't totally agree with it I'd say it's 50%
However Mcgrains response to the same post is to call me crazy! Go figure.