Expert?!

Harry does alot of charity work in and around the local area. He has had a big burden to bare becouse of his surname but he never lets it get to him, he just goes about his daily life with grace and survility. He is a wonderful human being that we could all stand to learn alot from.

 

He may have been quite evil, but he is also one of the best leaders of people the world has ever seen, though not on par with Federer's tennis.

 

Dont even go there, he persecuted and murdered millions of innocent people. People often make statements like "yeah but he had some good ideas like industry mass production" - yes but they were slightly outweighed by concentration camps and the idea of the super race.

You might think differently towards his "leadership of people" had you been a jew living in germany, after all he would have been your leader too, no?

Go to Auschwitz in Poland, 1.1m died there, from starvation, disease, rigours of hard labour, beatings, torture, shooting, hanging, gassing or Phenol injections to the heart - many of the deaths would have been in the main courtyard for all the other inmates to see thier future fate. Then come back on here and describe him as one of the best people in history. The guy was responsible for the Hollocaust for goodness sakes.

Not sure this is the forum for a discussion on this topic, but go there (aushwitz) its modern history.

 

Are we still talking about Harry? Il have to ask him but that all seems very out of charecter, hes usually so well mannered.

 

Do you think Stalin was a poor leader too?

 

You say Hitler was a good leader, yet he Murdered millions of his own poeple! If you were one of those million(s), or connected to someone who was would you think he was a good leader? He began a world war which killed (from memory) roughly 60 million people, which included 7million of his own people.

Stalin. Well his main achievment was the advancment of russia through his 5 year plans. On the surface they pushed the economy forwards, but they had flaws in that the targets set were unrealistic. Unskilled peasents were used as skilled labour, in time machinery would break as the peasents had no knowledge of how to work the damned things. This in turn led thefactories to sit idle, whihc in turn led to panic as the unrealistic targets would fall further behind. Factory managers wouldbe shot / executed as targets were not met. This would lead to a fear factor within the idustrial sector, and thus false figures being produced... the vicious circle thus continues.
The workers themselves earnt pittance and their standard of living was shite. but hey, this Stalin (which translates to iron man - or somehting) must be right, so we'll live through a couple of years hard graft and poverty to get there in the end.
Workers would be jailed and executed for not working to standard.

there was famine in russia, not only that stalin was exporting food to make money whilst his own people died of starvation.

Granted, Russia became a strong power in industry.. but his "people" went through a lot of **** to get there.

being a great leader isnt just about the surface end product, its about underlying factors, and the treatment of people at grass roots must be taken into consideration.
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Food for thought....


Stalin was responsible for solidifying the Soviet Union after Lenin's death, and became a brutal dictator, ultimately responsible for the deaths of an estimated 20 million people, most of whom were Russians, and ironically mostly workers and peasants whom Stalin claimed to represent. Stalin's regime was marked by brutality, repression, mass murder, extraterritorial expansion into neighboring states, genocide, mass imprisonment and deportation, and was ultimately the cause of much fear and concern around the world for the future of civilisation and the continued freedom of the Human Race. Stalin's policies and practices not only caused much fear and consternation within and without Russia and its occupied territories, but almost irreparably damaged the Russian economy and caused significant harm to the economies of the Free World, in asmuch as untold energy and funds and lives were spent in reacting the continuous threat to freedom posed by the Soviet Russia and even today by way of legacy the Russian Federation. While Stalin had a vision of a great Russia, he explicitly stated that he thought he would have to kill more than half the population (who disagreed with his vision) in order to achieve his goals. Today, it is agreed by all who have studied the topic, whether inside or outside Russia and whether they personally are Russian or German or English or Japanese, Stalin has done more harm to Russia and to Russians than any foreign power could ever have achieved. Even today, Stalin's legacy is one of fear, paranoia and aggression, as seen in the policies of the increasingly desperate acts and statements of Russia's leaders of today.

 

One quarter of Russians would vote for Stalin if he ran for leadership today mate.

 

Source of that statistic? Also, not that impressive is it. A great leader only commands 25% of votes through peoples retrospect!
Imagine is you asked Americans how many of themwould vote for Lincon if he were alive today!! (Just an off the cuff example) I'd wager it'd be more than 25%
If Stalin did today what he did back then he'd be lambasted by international powers.

 

There are similar statistics littered all over the place just google, "stalin russians poll". He's not nearly as hated as you'd expect a murderer of millions to be and the West don't seem to have a problem with that fact either.

 

I doubt Bush even knows who he is! Probably thinks its a make of wardrobe found in Ikea.