Experts rank the hardest-hitting heavyweights (RING, 1981)

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    From a Bill Gallo writeup in the October 1981 issue (starting on page 24).

    Gallo consulted with a group of experts consisting of Harry Markson, Gil Clancy, Don Dunphy, and Ray Arcel, and had them assess and rank a handful of the top heavyweight hitters from the past 50 years. Gallo summarized their takes as:

    1) Joe Louis: A mastercraftsman who could make openings…His left jab had great snap to it, even used it as a knockout weapon on occasions…Never wasted a punch… A great finisher once he had his man hurt…The most "correct puncher" with power in either hand.

    2) Rocky Marciano: Clumsy puncher but good leverage…Had a lot of weight behind every punch…Best conditioned of all fighters and most determined…Could stop a man with one punch from either hand but the right was best--Like the perfect right he caught Walcott with in their first fight.

    3) Max Baer: A colorful puncher but could only hit with his right…Probably the hardest right hand of all time...A harder right hand than Louis or Marciano, but not as accurate...Had he been serious about boxing he could've been one of the all-time greats...Tremendous power caused death of two opponents[...]"

    4) George Foreman: At his peak in the first Frazier fight, didn't show anything after...Strong puncher with the right but had to wind-up…Couldn’t hit a moving target… Had habit of wearing out in a fight--remember his fight with Ali?--but showed some signs of knowing how to punch...When he beat you, he beat you with brute strength.

    5) Sonny Liston: A clubber. Good puncher with both hands but short on boxing ability…A plodding type who would hurt you with the weight of the punches but not the snap…A mauling type sometimes effective with his style…

    The Ring then apparently reached out to fight historian Arthur Susskind Jr. and somehow came up with a top ten list (in order):

    Louis
    Dempsey
    Marciano
    Baer
    Jack Johnson
    Foreman
    Tunney
    Liston
    Johansson
    Frazier
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Tunney is a joke in there. Foreman showed nothing after Frazier? They must not know he fought Norton LOL
     
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  3. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    Tunney was a very average puncher, he was good cause he was quick, good chin, and the best ring i.q. since jack johnson.

    Foreman was the hardest hitter followed closely by Max Baer, then Liston, then Willaims, Then Dempsey
     
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  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lmao +1
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Old-timers say the craziest things...
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    They don't seem to think much of Liston or his skill level...
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Tunney was a better puncher than given credit for, but I am still a bit baffled by his inclusion.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not sure who exactly voted for Tunney but for what it's worth, the writeup on Tunney was: "To say that Gene Tunney was merely a very good boxer is not telling the whole story...Any time his name comes up in discussion with old tiers, they put him up there with not only the boxers but the hard hitters as well...Look at his record--77 total bouts and 42 knockouts..And, he knocked out some good ones--Tome Heeney, Tommy Gibbons, George Carpentier, and, what has long been forgotten, had Dempsey on the seat of his pants in both of their fights."
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    More rubbish from oldtimers. Whenever the term "expert" is used in regards to this sport and its history, I generally and correctly assume "charlatan".

    Johnson and Tunney in front of Liston is a joke.

    Gallo's list is less offensive. He's throwing a lot of other factors in his assessments other than "hardest hitting" which is fine and at least gives context to his judgement. However, Marciano in front of Foreman is suspect, to say the least. And wherefore art Dempsey? Especially since he consulted Arcel.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Having been a fan in 1981, and still one now, I think that list is just a testament to how many outstanding punchers we've had in the heavyweight division over the past 36 years.

    Since then, you could add a lot of names that could replace some of those, including: Mike Tyson, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Earnie Shavers, Wlad Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Gerry Cooney, Riddick Bowe, Sam Peter, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Pinklon Thomas, Mike Weaver, Tim Witherspoon, Frank Bruno, Gary Mason, Bonecrusher Smith, Gerrie Coetzee ... Too many to mention.

    We've been lucky.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Indeed.

    Brewster, Rahman, Cooper, Ortiz, Sanders, Ibeabuchi...the list goes on.
     
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  12. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    I actually think Gallo's list isn't half bad.
     
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  13. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good list minus Tunney. Not much more to add.
     
  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Or Lyle.
     
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  15. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Shavers? He was the hardest hitting h/w. Even harder than Foreman.