Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

How could Jones not make one damn fight out of all these fighters listed. How can one guy be so horrible that he 'talks' to 15 different guys across 4 Divisions and can't make one of them happen? :huh

It is laughable the excuses that are being offered for this. Jones wasn't interested in any big fights or taking risks until it just didn't matter anymore. After Tarver shattered that Glass Jaw something Del Valle almost did 6 years earlier (and look at Jones opponents AFTER that fight from 1998 to 2003 it is a list of civil servants for the most part) and it tells us what we already know.

Jones wasn't going to risk that Glass Jaw unless everything was stacked in his favor in an absurd way. Telling fighters what gloves that had to use etc. It is a mockery of the sport.

The biggest duck besides Buster Douglas (which I am not even sure why Roy was wanting that fight Douglas was a shadow of himself and still overweight despite dropping 100 pounds talk about a disgraceful cherrypick :rofl) was Irish Steve Collins. Collins had fought in America before, had fought on American pay cable networks before he had an American trainer and even confronted Glass Jaw Roy in an American ring after a fight and he was ignored. That is a pathetic duck.

 

So what did he fight no one ?

Put up DM's ,Eubank's Benn's and Joe's resume and compare the to Jones since your sooooo convinced he fought nothing but sanitation workers and policeman because he was so afraid of getting his glass jaw maniple getting cracked while of course being on steroids for his whole career ( lmao as I typed that) !

 

DM beat Hill before Jones. DM beat Hill when it mattered. I have never said he was on PED's his entire career and frankly I don't care about PED's really but Roy like James Toney is a convicted PED cheat.

I don't expect Roy to have fought all 15 fighters. He could have fought 3 or 4 but he didn't even do that. The other guys you mentioned were willing to travel also something Roy wasn't willing to do. World Champions make the big fights. They don't sit at home and fight Otis Grant and Glen Kelly and shout that nobody wants to fight them. Eubank fought in America. All those guys you listed were willing to make the big fights EXCEPT Roy who is the common denominator with all of them.

I went to high school with Marvin Hagler's son Champ and he always said Jones was a ***** with no Chin and this was all the way back in 1995 and 1996 :rofl

 

You have to look at the divisions they fought in and who they fought.
At MW and SMW, which is mainly where Eubank was he has a far greater resume
at MW and SMW which is mainly where Benn fought he has overall a greater resume in those divisions (overall)
DM and Jones are similar at LHW only DM got the Hill win first and got the win over Rocchigiani
Calzaghe mainly fought at SMW where he has a greater SMW resume than Jones and in his 2 fights at LHW, one fighter he beat was Jones and the other was a fighter who beat Jones at LHW
Run along now

 

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Shut the hell with that division **** ..

None of the guys I mentioned had a better resume than Roy ..



And Joe waited til Roy was close to 40 ,knocked out several times and had no legs for him to fight him why didn't he face him beofore 03 ? Guess Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson all beat the best version of Jones right All these guys knocked out Roy before Joe fought him and Joe couldn't even knock him down


I think it's time for you and your weak arguments to go run along yourself !,

 

Right and Jones beat Gonzales before he beat DM and ?

Once again compare their resumes put them up see who has the better wins ..

So you went to school with Hagler's son well Tommy Brooks trains fighters at my gym and we have discussed Roy and all he kept saying was he was the goods ..So there you go!:good

 

Brooks is a good trainer. Someone above just compared the resumes and at 160 and 168 they had better resume's than Roy. Gonzales was a meaningless fight for Roy. What did he gain from that fight? DM beat Hill when it mattered and was the WBO\WBA\IBF and lineal champion and Jones came in for his s****s after the fact.

I find it hard to believe that Jones couldn't fight one of those guys out of about 15. For sure even you will admit that a lot of Jones fights from 1998-2003 were a waste of time and pointless? Larry Merchant pleaded with Jones to drop the trinket belts he had or not fight for anymore vacant trinket belts and make some big fights and all Jones did was start talking in 3rd person while snaggle tooth Murad Muhammad stood behind him smiling. :roflatsch

 

Roy was a 4 weight world champion, something none of these fighters listed were... That has to count for something.

 

What does it matter navigating through 4 weight Divisions when you NEVER fight THE champion of the Division? What is the point? Who cares? The guy literally never fought the #1 guy in any of those Divisions. Why move up if you aren't going to try your hand at doing that? His Middleweight, Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight reigns were pointless. At least at Super Middleweight he fought and beat James Toney. That counts for something. Beating the guys he did at Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight were pointless. They were trinket belts.

 

Of course it counts for something, but it isnt clear that Roy has a better resume than the listed fighters in all the divisions they have both fought in and that is the debate.
Roy was a belt holder in many of those rather than the champ, which is not meant to discredit because winning titles in different weights is a massive achievement but A Broner for example has been a belt holder in 3 different divisions and Roy has question marks