Explain The Logic: Pacquiao Gets Catchweights But Canelo Can't?

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  1. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im pretty sure Mayweather was 106 at that age as well just in the ams
     
  2. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol. It's tiny if you come from America or any other first world country. He was 16, in a third world country, homeless and obviously poverty stricken until he turned to boxing. Then the rest is history. But yea, he was a tiny malnourished kid living off the streets boxing for change to s****e by and save for his family.
     
  3. itsa

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    LOL according to pac****s Manny is the only 16 year old who ever lived!
     
  4. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    a short skinny guy with an ectomorph bone frame can easily weigh 106 no matter what country he is from.

    whats that song?

    my **** don't fit down the chimney
    your ****, is like a kid from the Philippines.

    seems accurate
     
  5. NUCLEAR

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    Don't you dare speak of logic and common sense in this thread.. an average floyd braindead fan won't understand.
     
  6. NUCLEAR

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    True they gave him no chance to win but after he proved them wrong they come up with excuses and won't give him his due credit its pathetic. These fools don't realize how big of an accomplishment it is they would only realize it after many long years and no one has ever done it again.
     
  7. miguelj

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    Are you hinting on him using IV to rehydrate?
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Strictly speaking, that's not true. Pac had already had a fight at 147 against Oscar 2 bouts prior to his one with Cotto. And the Margo fight was a disgrace that never should have been for a vacant 154 title when you basically had 2 guys who had done absolutely nothing to establish themselves there.

    :smoke
     
  9. Serge

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    “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.”

    "I would never want to put a fighter in a position where he's not comfortable. I want a guy when he's at his best. If he's at his best at 154 and he's strong and he's solid, then that's the fight we're fighting at. I walk around at 150, but at the end of the day - skills pay the bills.... Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses"

    "De La Hoya - Pacquiao fights him at a catchweight. Cotto - he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya I said 'give him to me at 154'. With Cotto - 'give him to me at 154'. Give me the guys where they are comfortable with their weight so there are no excuses"

    ''I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter. He faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catchweight. It wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained; he wasn’t hydrated. Antonio Margarito was a guy who was cheating. I want him [Cotto] to be comfortable, to feel good when we meet to go into battle. I don’t want no excuses. So I’m going to go in there and be Floyd Mayweather. I’ve been there before and I know what it takes.”

    ''That's one thing Floyd make perfectly clear to us," Ellerbe said. "He didn't want to fight him at a catchweight, he wanted to fight him at the weight. Sometimes, you don't get full credit when you fight at a catchweight. Floyd wanted to make sure Miguel was comfortable."

    'Cotto also fought at a 145-pound catchweight in his 2009 loss to Manny Pacquiao, his lightest weight in more than three years at the time that bout occurred. He has fought in the 154-pound division since then.

    "He was a dead man walking when he went into the ring," Ellerbe said. "The casual fan doesn't know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight. Fighters know."

    :rofl
     
  10. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:Fluid IVIayweather The Catchweight King...where hard work medication pay the bills.
     
  11. Serge

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    :lol:
     
  12. shadow111

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    He’s naturally a JMW. He’s never fought at the full Middleweight limit. The reason he's fought 1 lb above JMW was due to not getting a title shot at 154 and having no reason to make 154 without a title on the line. Now he’s a Middleweight Champion, but he won that title at 155 a catchweight that Cotto demanded. (not as a True Middleweight, not vs a True Middleweight)

    Canelo is “moving up” too, just like Manny only at a higher weight. I’m not advocating for a Canelo vs GGG catchweight, but the OP makes a good point. People are simply using Canelo’s natural advantages against him here.

    I know the fact that Canelo holds the MW title now makes people now demand he fight at 160. And while I hate catchweights and generally agree that he should defend that title at 160, I like that the OP brought up the ridiculous double standard here in regard to Canelo.

    All these other fighters get a pass for catchweights, Canelo hasn’t even done a catchweight yet and people are already criticizing Canelo MORE than they cricitize others who have already done catchweights! (like Cotto at MW for example)

    The obsession with “fight night weight” is causing you to hold Canelo to a different standard. Canelo’s “fight night weight” is whatever his body weighs. Outside of the IBF, fighters are free to rehydrate to whatever weight they want to the day AFTER making weight at the weigh-in.

    Yes Canelo is a big guy, he’s a physically imposing figure. But he’s not naturally a Middleweight. Until you fight at 160 you are not a true middleweight. Technically weighing in at 155 is in the Middleweight division, just understand the reasons why Canelo weighed in there.

    (there were no 154 title opportunities since Floyd was holding the belts hostage and Cotto had been defending that title at catchweights, which was out of Canelo’s control)
     
  13. JohnnyDrama99

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    I know that but PAC wasn't a real welterweight when he faced DLH and still wasn't when he faced Cotto. I agree that the Marg fight at Jr Middleweight wasn't really a real Jr middleweight fight and it was a championship fight that was more for dressing up PAC's resume....but he had to beat bigger men in all of those fights and none were two two legit champions in the same weight class facing off against each other. GGG vs Nelo are two Middleweight champions who should fight at 160 unless GGG has no problems with the catchweight. If he does. ...he shouldn't agree to the terms and Nelo should man up.
     
  14. Dreamking

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    >Not knowing the difference between mandatory and voluntary.
     
  15. jamescomeback

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    Poor cotto got slated for his run at middle even though he was way outsized packs a hero for it