Explain this notion that Canelo miraculously transformed his body?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody in particular, but I did notice he said it.
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Been saying this for years that Marquez is naturally bigger than Pacquiao. His bone structure is bigger.
    There is a picture floating around of the side view of the fighters when both were featherweights, and its obvious Marquez' bone structure is bigger.
    Yet in each of their 4 fights, Pacquiao both officially weighed and climbed the ring heavier than what Pac clowns call the Hulk. LOL!
    Explain that one.

    What I say to them is that if you're going to point the finger at Marquez then you must also point the finger at the naturally smaller fighter who's weighing and climbing the ring heavier than the fighter they're pointing a finger at.
     
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  3. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    What I meant was the results were absolutely stunning. The physical transformation. The power. Marquez went from being a hard puncher to a huge, concussive puncher. There was the KD and then the KO. And then Marquez went on to literally knock a 160+ pound Alvarado halfway across the ring. Literally. Halfway across the ring.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree. The Featherweight picture is the best example we have of comparing them at their natural size since they're both natural Featherweights, an argument can be made for Pac being a natural SBW. But there's not a huge size difference, but Marquez is for sure the slightly bigger man.

    With that said, it's weird that the naturally smaller man kept outweighing the bigger Marquez on fight night. The obvious explanation to that was Pacquiao was eating more. But I'm not surprised at all that Marquez looked more tank like at 147. He had the slightly larger frame and could carry a WW frame a tad better than Pacquiao could.
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez is slightly naturally bigger than Pacquiao. It makes sense for him to carry power more up to WW since he is bigger. I agree that Marquez juiced, but I disagree that all of a sudden he became tank like compared to Pacquiao. He was always bigger than Pac.
     
  6. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Pacquiao's body/weight is a mystery. If you look at pictures of Pacquiao and Marquez, Marquez always looks like the much thicker, heavier man. Unless his massive calves really carry that much extra weight...

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  7. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac's groupies are notorious for coming up with excuses after Pac's less than desired performances and must have come up with some BS PED excuse after the "he stepped on his toe" didn't go over well.
     
  8. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    You and Divac are the only 2 people on the face of planet who think Marquez wasn't doping. Hell, even Isal begrudgingly admitted it at one point.

    :lol:

    But we know you two don't actually believe Marquez is clean.

    :deal:
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao started rapidly adding mass in 2003 which was when he fought Barrera. Pac only weighed in at 128 fight night against Julio in 2002. Then all of sudden he's 136 against Barrera in 1 years time. Then he weight 139 against Morales and then he's 144 against JMM in the rematch. He stayed around the 145 mark the rest of his career.

    But you could clearly see that at 122 he looked like a natural 122 pounder. When he went up in higher weights the bulk came on.
     
  10. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have never said Marquez was clean(nor has he been proven guilty) but simply saying that if you get your head out your ass and use the same standards that you judge Marquez by then Pac is also guilty.

    It's as simple as that.

    Stop being a hypocrite, it's all I'm saying.
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, but Mikey isn't beating up on their boyfriend Gennady Golovkin.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez looks like the bigger man because he's bigger than Pacquiao. Been saying this for years, but people ignore it. I'll give Divac credit, he's right about this.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, but that that's Manny. Any of his gains has to be attributed to Hleeaaavy training, he say's so himself here........
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  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    BINGO!
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao from 2002 to 2003 underwent a transformation. People don't realize it happened because it was long ago and back then only hardcore fans knew who Pacquiao was. He went from skinny Filipino kid to an absolute monster. All of a sudden he was completely indefatigable. He was absolutely ungassable, ran around the ring like a madman for 12 rounds, throwing never ending power punch combos. Walks through Barrera's punches like a tank driving over an eggshell. Walks through Marquez's punches, a naturally larger power puncher and all his punches can do is momentarily buzz Pacquiao and get him to back up.

    [url]https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/defending-champion-manny-pacquiao-of-the-phillipines-stands-news-photo/51685262[/url]

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    I don't want to believe that Pacquiao juiced because he never failed a test. There has been surprisingly little circumstantial evidence that links him to PED's. But like Marquez he underwent a drastic change in physicality too. It was just early in his career.