Exposed.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jan 8, 2009.


  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    OK, we'll try again with this, though you still haven't read my post on page 2 mentioning Duran-Leonard.

    I thought Cotto was a well-rounded boxer approaching the finished article before the Margarito fight.

    In the Margarito fight, Cotto was exposed as having little concept of defence, and suspect stamina.

    Beforehand, I did not believe either of these things to be the case.

    His weaknesses were exposed as being far worse than I believed possible.

    But, crucially, Cotto can now work on the areas that were exposed and improve upon them, so to be exposed is not some irretrievable disgrace.


    However, there are many examples of losses where a fighter was not exposed, ie that no particular aspects of his game suddenly and dramatically failed to the extent where it lost him the fight.

    For instance, Duran-Leonard. Leonard got involved in a brawl with the best brawler of all time. He lost convincingly, but no aspect of his game was exposed, and he showed no weaknesses, he was simply beaten by the better man on the night.

    Nah?
     
  2. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    LOL. Now I'm gonna really throw a wrench in the **** for ya'. Like a poster earlier said, a fighter doesn't even have to LOSE the fight for a previously unknown (unexposed) flaw to have been shown to the world.
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    I disagree. I don't think you grasp my meaning at all. It is far too simplistic and reductive than to say because someone lost they must have been exposed. By that logic, every single fighter in every single weight class is exposed as not being the perfect fighter, ie that they would all be exposed by the single best fighter h2h in their weight class, but this is not what exposed means. Brawling was never Leonard's key strength, that he lost in a brawl to the best brawler ever does not expose anything about him. In actual fact, he fought sensationally well but lost. It isn't a weakness of his that he couldn't adjust to Duran, sometimes the other guy is just too good on a certain night. No, Leonard was not perfect/infallible/unbeatable on the night, but he was not exposed in any way.
     
  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Cotto was exposed as a quitter. He WILL quit again when the going gets tough.
     
  5. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Ok, we'll try again...I have already cited you about that post you made...page 5.
     
  6. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    No.

    No, no, no, no, no.

    I'm not a Pavlik fan, but the guy is still a very good fighter. The fact is he stepped up to take on an ATG and an elite fighter in Bernard Hopkins and paid the price.

    He was not exposed.
     
  7. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Excellent post, sir.:good
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Yeah, I'd love to learn from Teddy Atlas, learn to be the worst predictor of big fights in history :patsch

    You don't understand this thread or my point at all, and I can't be bothered going through the whole thing yet again just because you're slow. Read the thread or disappear.
     
  9. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Oh no! Here's the guy who brings so much to the discution!
    All the time! Congrats!
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    I agree. He was not exposed. He was beaten by a superior fighter, but there was no one aspect of his game that collapsed and let him down.
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Very true. What I said about Margo in my first post is a good example. I was screaming at him "Step left God damn it, step left"! He couldn't hear me since I was sitting in my study!
     
  12. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Please quit this thread.
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    More good points from you two guys. Of course you can be exposed in victory as well. Thank God you made your way onto this thread!
     
  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Yes, sir. And he was beaten in the fashion his most hardcore fans on here have come up with and admitted well before hand, would be the way to beat Kelly Pavlik.

    Bernard "executed" perfectly.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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