Exposed.

exposed is definitely a bit overused

 

Yes and no ****er listened to my words of wisdom on Kelly Pavlik

I see what you mean, it wasn't exactly unearthed, but it was the first time his weaknesses really came to the forefront. They were lieing underneath the surface before that. Sometimes things are forgotten in a "W" but rarely in a loss.

 

Here's an astute observation, even if I have to pat myself on the back for it (which I just did.)

We already have a perfect example of the difference between being exposed, and not being exposed, on this thread.

Pavlik/McKart and Lorenzo/Marguez.

McKart fought a draw with Marquez just before Lorenzo/Marquez.

Marquez beat Lorenzo.

Pavlik fought a slightly fresher version of McKart, and handed him his first KO loss.

Leaving aside arguments about how styles make fights, Lorenzo was exposed. Pavlik was not.

 

PLease...again....I read it. We dont agree. Its ok.

 

Yup, but it took an ATG to give his self proclaimed "Best performance of his entire career" to do it. For this point forward to me, he is no longer B-Hop. He is Mr. Hopkins.

some ****ers listened. Me, boo, hermit, etc... had begrudgingly acknowledged that it would take a performance exactly like the one ATG Mr. Hopkins gave us to do it.

He fought with the legs, heart, and fire of a 21 year old, but used the experience of 21+ years in the ring to do it.

 

Well said! :good

 

Listen buddy. I have just look back at previous post and to everybody who disagree with you you said: Have you read my post.

Just because people disagree with you does'nt mean they didn't read your post...Everybody would agree if we only have to read others post to agree...
eheh

Now, citing you again "You can't say that we disagree when you don't know what I mean! Your view conflicts with what you think I mean, but that isn't what I mean."

This is exactly where we disagree!! You think i did'nt understand what you meant. ANd, I think YOU didn't even understand what YOU mean.

 

Most threads grow dull after 2-3 pages. This thread is getting more interesting the longer it goes on. Pavlik has not shown much interest in body work in RECENT FIGHTS. In reality he is a vicious body puncher, and was specifically known for that as a young prospect. Say what you will about Bronco McKart, but the man is double tough, and Pavlik put him on his hands and knees struggling to breathe with a single lead right to the body. Rico Cason got sparked by a left hook to the body. In the 2nd Taylor fight it was a right to the body that turned out to be the pivotal moment in the fight.

However, in general since the Zertuche fight Kelly has become a head hunter. Up until BHop Kelly got away with it. Against Hops he failed miserably. Therefore, a relatively new bad habit was "exposed" in the Hopkins fight.

 

If you insist on hanging on to your own personal definitions, it's easy to be
right in every discussion.

You might want to consider the fact that if your own personal definition is
clearly different from the majority, you are speaking your own personal
language. In that personal language, you are right, if you argue correctly.In
the majorities language, you are wrong.For any meaningful discussion to be
held, definitions should be the same.

To me it seems that your definition of exposed, is a different one than the
majorities definition. If you truly started this thread to discuss the definition
of exposed, then you must at least be open to the opinions of others. You
cannot defend yourself in a discussion about the definition of exposed, by
using your own personal definition of that very word.

If you adamantly want to stand by your own definition,and therefor be right
in any argument by default because your own definition is the only right one,
then the entire thread is utterly pointless.

Also your definition seems to change as the discussion goes on, I do not
believe you want a serious discussion. By your own definition a fighter is
exposed when he was to be shown to be deficient in a way that was not
anticipated. Leonard was not perceived to be unable to find the right gameplan
to beat Duran, however he was unable. Therefor he was exposed by
your own definition.

Then you proceed to deny this by limiting the aspects of boxing that can
"expose" someone in your view. This is an ad hoc adjustment to your initial
definition merely for the sake of "proving" your definition right. The
adjustment in itself however changes your initial definition and renders your
previous statement blatantly false.

I think you either just want to argue a pointless discussion here or you really
do not understand what you yourself are trying to say.

 

Nice...I thought i was alone...Thank you.

 

i agree with the op but only to a small point
generally speaking exposed means a fighter was not anything we thought he was like how everyone called mijares god
now when you say cotto exposed its misleading
i think a part of his game was exposed but not the whole fighter
if someone shows certain vulnerabilities they can still be a great fighter with some minor defficiencies
in using this logic you could say mosley was exposed by forrest and wright or hopkins by roy taylor and calzage but we know this is not true it is more of a fighters vulnerabilities being exposed not the fighter as a whole

 

I always said Cotto didn't fight a smart fight at all. He didn't know what to do against Margarito. I wouldn't call it exposed though.

 

if cotto was gonna be "exposed" it would have happened against judah. -that fight imo was his biggest test @ fighting at an elite level. in the judah & mosely fight cotto showed that he possessed the boxing skills & capability of adapting... fighters that usually get "exposed" cant adapt and only have one way of fighting.

so did margo expose cotto? -NO.

for anyone that followed cotto and watched his fights in detail knew that his stamina & conditioning was the biggest concern. i knew cotto would be able to withstand, move & out point margo early on but my biggest surprise was how cottos clean, flush power shots didnt phase or slow margo at all, in which just validated how iron margos beard really is.