Of course he couldn't beat Ali; that's as close to beyond question as a fight between two greats could ever be.
Yeah, that's a great story. Liston supposedly loved Scotland, paying up a $500 bet he lost to Keenan over whether or not Peter Senior really had a pal with more kids than Sonny's ma...Peter took him round in time for dinner and Sonny was stunned to see all 22 Scots siblings round the dinner table. He might have been stung, but that second and third wave of Irish Catholics sure did push the bairns out. And you've seen him in the kilt with the pipes, of course. He seemed really, really impressed with Kennan more specifically. Keenan would have taken him outside, no doubt.
I wasn't being funny there mate, don't know if it came across that way. What do you reckon on Liston-Lewis? That's really intriguing for me.
Sonny was intimidating in the ring but outside might have been a nice guy at heart but far from an angel. Still a grown man having conversations on the phone to a kid he is not related to does seem a bit creepy.
No no, I knew you weren't being funny, I was just clarifying my position. I got Liston beating Lewis myself! To me, it doesn't seem creepy at all. Even when I was kid (15 years back) it was pretty normal for adults to make friends with kids round my way, fake aunties, fake uncles. It's only recently it's become "creepy". Creepy is as creepy does as a great thinker once didn't say. If Liston was trying to molest the child it's creepy. If he wasn't, he wasn't creepy. Patently, Liston was not a child molester. Though he may have been a ******. What's creepy is the turn this thread has taken...
Yeah it's just the jab that makes me think. Too much is put on phsical assets, when the real thing to consider is who is the better fighter. Here we've got two bona fide greats, so it would come to a styles match up imo. Lewis' jab is one of the best, but Liston's jab is tremendous, and i reckon he could jab with Lewis most definitely, if he can gain a leverage he can land bombs.......... I'm not conclusive with that though.
I really like reading about a guy like Liston, cause even if you didn't live to see his fights, there's a aura and a mythical status about some of theese earlier heavyweight champs, that I think the sport is missing a bit today. I can't find the article online, but the extract will suffice for now. Maybe I'll be lucky to find it, maybe not. Regarding all this about Liston being a bad guy etc., I think that's it's hard to be the judge of, but I will say that I personally don't think he's soo much a bad guy as he's a troubled fellow. He's been through a rough childhood from what I understand, and I don't know how that can affect you, but it at least partially explains why he was so troubled.
I don't think it's creepy. I have two younger (the younger one is 12 and I am 30) brothers and when their friends would come over, in some of them you can see a younger version of yourself and hanging out with them makes you remeber what it was like to be young, without the pussures of life and living in the moment without worrying about tomorrow etc... Nice story on Sonny, I think I have to watch some of these older guys.
Decent innit? Louis! Louis! Louis! Louis! Didn't he get the biggest ovation at the Fight of the Fight of the Century? I'm sure i read that somewhere recently. He a bonafide hero. Here he is doing murders in slow motion. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sv1ph-Ecf0[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7gZRlYyAUo[/ame] God bless GreatA, who understands Louis as well as anyone i've spoken to.
My favourite fighter. Up until that long ago (6 months ago?) I had never seen too much of him. For me, the greatest puncher ever in terms of all round form and technique. Just beautiful to watch. I now revel in his fights, still haven't seen everything mind. Holding some treats back no doubt Today at work I painfully toyed with the idea of having Louis above Ali in my no.1 spot. No one would/could argue. Well they would but absolutely a claim can be made for Louis. But it's a big step to make
For me, it's when I'm stoned. Eerything he does becomes far more frightening. I sometimes watch him and think 'this man actually existed'. That in itself is quite a scary thought. However, and I'll probably get slaughtered for this; but I can't imagine Louis seeing out two rounds with Prime Tyson. A bad matchup for Louis IMO. He loved guys to come to him, but if Tyson did get too close he'd stunt his own workrate and possibly get caught by a composite combination not even his chin could brace. However, I go for Tyson to prevail over a game Louis within 0-6 minutes. Now, McGrain, tell me how Louis would win :good
Not today chap, not in a fantasy fight kind of mood. I really don't make a pick here. I can't get past imagining what it would be like to be ringside before the opening bell.