Ezzard Charles case for nr p4p?

Well you are banging on and on about full reports etc etc etc. So you don't have anything to put up at all? I thought you must have been building to something worthwhile.

Where there's no footage i'll go with majority rule, and the majority rule of everything i have uncovered points to Charles. End of story.

 

2 judges scored for ray, 1 a draw, 2 reports for charles. hmm.

I don't need to build to anything worthwhile. If you believe the result was unjust it's on you to convince me and thus far you've been unable to identify a single round that is without doubt a Charles round.

I used to do something similar back in the day, till I realised how ridiculous it is disagreeing with those who've actually seen a fight when I haven't seen it myself.

 

Why would i be worried about convincing you? You weren't even in the conversation.

I've found enough extra reading to be convinced Charles won. I will PM that to Bojak some time.

As for disagreeing with those who saw the fight, the vast majority (findable) went with Charles so you are disagreeing regardless.

Charles made sure he didn't leave it in the hands of the judges 10 months later, that's for sure

 

That's the issue with burden of proof, it's only a matter if the person cares.

The vast majority, how many?

Ironically Ray's biggest argument for deserving the win is the fact that he could walk through Charles without getting hurt or being damaged. The rematch certainly proved otherwise.

 

Plenty.

To be fair to Elmer he was past his best when they fought and Ezzard was travelling sensationally.

 

Charles definitely proved to be the superior fighter, that's beyond doubt. In knocking out a HW talent like that he also showed he belonged in the division which he doesn't get any credit for in this day and age.

I just don't agree with you on their first fight. Would be awesome if we could actually see it because it sounds like a good tear up.

 

Violent Ray Tips Charles In Close Bout
“The smart money screamed and the heavyweight powers smiled unctuously today but there was no joy in the heart of Elmer (Violent) Ray, a man with a mission who for the second time had met a spoiler. The gallery gods went into ranting hysterics last night when the burly negro who once wrestled alligators for a living smashed the myth which was Ezzard Charles. The boxing bigwigs, who had been grooming Charles for a fight with Joe Louis, laughed. Once more they had given Joe Louis, the heavyweight champion, an excuse to dodge the Violent One.
For from 10 rows back it looked like Charles all the way. He danced and jabbed and landed a lot on Ray's bobbing pate and Elmer's busy elbows. But inside 10 rows you could see the devastation wrought by Ray's jarring hooks, blasts which raised the sheaf of Ezzard's cheek. “No holding,” was the continual admonition of referee Eddie Joseph. But Ezzard, of the winged retreating feet, had to hold for his life, and in doing so he made of Elmer Ray a modern Sam Langford.
You remember the Boston Tar Baby. He was a guy heavyweight champion Jack Johnson dodged and dodged during the six years he held the title some three decades ago. Langford tried desperately to get a bout with the champ, but Johnson never would have a part of him.
Louis is that way with Ray. It’s silly to say that Louis, the man who has made so many valiant defenses of the crown, is afraid of Elmer. But it is a fact that he won’t fight the burley puncher from Hastings, Florida. "Yeah, I’m a Langford" Ray said as, absolutely unmarked, be sat in room after winning over Charles. "Charles, huh! He's good light heavyweight and fast, but he couldn’t knock my hat off. If Louis still refuses to meet me I’m going to hang up my gloves.”
-Middlesboro Daily News, July 26, 1947
"Referee Eddie Joseph and Judge George Lecron gave Ray the fight by a narrow margin; six rounds for Ray and four for Charles. However, Judge Marty Monroe Came up with the surprising ballot of eight rounds for Charles and only two for Ray. The United Press favored Ray, 5-4-1."
-Charleston Daily Mail, July 26, 1947