Ezzard Charles v Roy Jones at heavyweight.

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    it's worth reading but...

    louis KO dempsey

    ali KO tyson

    frazier KO marciano

    Jones SD (i think) Charles

    Greb MD Hagler

    Monzon UD Hopkins

    Hearns KO Basilio

    Pep UD Barrera

    My favourite that's not on the cover was Whitaker UD Duran
     
  2. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Charles wins but it wouldn't be a blow out.

    I'd expect a give and take encounter but with Charles having the upper hand. It would be competitive but Charles would eventually land the punch that made Jones unravel, either sparking him or making him fight so cautiously Charles wins a comfortable decision.
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Ring has always been disappointing with its hypotheticals. They ought to have a link here and be done with it.
     
  4. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The problem is that Jones wasnt an ATG heavyweight and when matching him up at HW they bestow his attributes at 168lb into a hw frame.
    He would be beaten by most HW champions which should not detract from his abilities at lower weights.
     
  5. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    haha, that would be awesome. though i agree with the ali win over tyson, and their explanation of louis over dempsey was reasonable. you should read how easily they had toney beating fulmer, mostly based on the barkely fight :D or spinks taking archie moore apart.
     
  6. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Height, reach, and weight are pretty similar... no real advantage either way.

    Speed? Jones by a little bit but not a huge difference like some will probably tell you. Here's the thing... I doubt Jones could deal with the combination of speed, power, skill, and durability that Charles would bring to the fight.

    Power? Charles but Jones had good power as well.

    Durability? Jones wasn't stopped until past prime but I'm going with Charles.



    During Charles' absolute prime (1946-1950) he was not stopped. As a matter of fact he went 39-1 overall from 1946 until he lost to Walcott (in their 3rd fight) in July of 1951. He also went 9-0 in HW World Title Fights during this time. The only loss was a disputed split-decision to Elmer Ray. He stopped Ray in 9 rounds when they fought again.

    Among others he beat Marty Simmons, Teddy Yarosz, Anton Christoforidis, Charley Burley x2, Jose Basora, Joey Maxim x5, Jimmy Bivins 4 out of 5, Lloyd Marshall 2 out of 3, Archie Moore x3, Elmer Ray 1 out of 2, Jersy Joe Walcott 2 out of 4, Gus Lesnevich, Pat Valentino, Freddie Beshore, Joe Louis, Lee Oma, Rex Layne 2 out of 3, Bernie Reynolds, Cesar Brion, Coley Wallace, and Bob Satterfield.

    Many felt he beat Walcott in their 4th and final fight which would have made him the 1st 2x HW Champ in 1952.

    He lost a disputed decision to Kid Tunero very early in his career, 1942.

    He drew with Ken Overlin very early in his career, 1942.

    His past prime losses to Nino Valdes (94th pro fight) and Harold Johnson (95th pro fight) are questionable. These fights were in 1953.

    He lost a close 15 round decision to a prime Rocky Marciano in his 98th pro fight. He gave him hell in the rematch but was stopped in the 8th after splitting Marciano's nose. Both fights were in 1954.



    Both men were highly skilled. Charles was a little more technical. Jones was a little more unconventional. Both were very effective in what they did.

    Here's where people go wrong in their thinking... just because fighter A (we'll call him Jones) might be a little faster than fighter B (we'll call him Charles)... it doesn't mean that fighter A can deal with fighter B's speed better than fighter B can deal with his. Charles was quick, accurate, powerful, highly skilled, and durable... I don't think Jones could deal with that very well all night.



    My pick?

    Jones has his moments but Charles by decision or late round stoppage.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Charles by eventual KO...Ezz don't buy the razzle dazzle
     
  8. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charles' style plays into Jones' hands. It's not as easy as it seems but like I said, I still have Charles in this one.