ezzard charles vs jake lamotta...

Yes.

 

Charles by mid rounds stoppage, theres a reason this fight didnt happen

 

jake ducked NO ONE. and if charles could not knock out burley. no way could he knockout lamotta.

 

Ducked is a strong word but he avoided the better Murderer's Row fighters though

Lamotta isn't half the defensive fighter Burley was and he'd get hit far more. If Robinson stops Lamotta so can Charles, who stopped far bigger better fighters, but 1 factor would be which version of Charles were talking about, the 170lb version murders Lamotta, the 160lb version wins comfrotably but might not put his man away

 

Robinson stopped a past best and weight drained la motta, if charles had fought him at middle it would have been when la motta was in his prime, charles wins but i don't think he stops him

 

Yes but were assuming a mature Charles couldn't make 160, if he needed to make 160 for title bouts, which he never got the chance to fight for at 160, I would venture a guess he would have stayed at 160 for far longer

A pre-prime Charles probably wouldn't stop Lamotta but I wouldnt rule it out either, we don;t have any pre-prime Charles footage to go off though

 

I disagree. Lamotta was the ONLY white fighter of that period too consistently take on members of the black murders row. He took on two of the best lloyd marshall and holman williams, and if you count sugar ray robinson then he took on 3 of the best black middleweights of that period. not to mention a very tough bert lytell an underated member of the murders row.

 

1. what film of prime jake lamotta 1943-1946 have you seen? his defense is and ability to slip jabs and punches are much better than people give him credit for

2. Jake Lamotta was much more aggresive and busy than burley. stronger too. charles had trouble with pressure and non stop swarming( see elmer ray and pat valentino gave him all kinds of fits with swarming)...

robinson stopped a very weight drained past his prime jake lamotta. even then, robinson was behind on the cards after 8 rounds. no way robinson came close to stopping/flooring a prime hungry tiger like jake lamotta of the 1940s. lamotta In my humble opinion in his prime had the greatest chin of all time, and he was one of the strongest fighters, and he never got tired. a bad matchup for ezzard charles. Charles would win a unanimous decision here, but ezz does not stop him...lamotta was impossible to hurt. bob satterfield hit harder than charles and teed off on lamottas noggin like he was a pinatta and lamotta took everything without blinking.

I am talking about the 160lb version of charles, not the 175lb version. lamotta was a middleweight, not light-heavyweight.

 

ezzard would win every round in a fight with charles.charles was leagues ahead of lamotta.i keep hearing that jake fought ALL the top black fighters at his weight but i'm not convinced !!

 

So fighting Sugar Ray Robinson 6x, Lloyd Marshall, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell plus countless other black fighters isn't convincing enough?

 

Yes, he could have and he would have, and well within the 15 round distance, by a bloody tko, but Jake would have hit the deck too.

 

he outweighed robinson every time and williams was finished.
charles ,archie moore and burley were all fightting at middle during the 40's

 

How was Holman Williams Finished? He just recently beat Charlie Burley, Archie Moore, Aaron Tiger Wade, and gave marcel cerdan a very close fight. Holman was also the # 1 rated middleweight contender in 1946.

everyone outweighed robinson at middle, that doesnt take away the fact robinson might be the greatest middleweight of all time, and lamotta was the first to beat him!