Charles by electrifying KO after a nice show by Jones ending would be about the 8-9th rd IMO...could be sooner....
the film we have of charles against marshall shows this as a possibility. that prime version was a monster
Lloyd Marshall and Jones are similar in no way...i thought we were talking about a prime Jones and a prime Charles...Charles would have more problems with Jones style than vise versa...Charles was a monster, but not a monster puncher was hittable and had flaws just as jones does...Jones went 16 years before being kayoed so it sounds a bit far fetched to say he'd get ko'ed in the 8th or sooner.
He fought whatever taxi drivers and police officers they could find, that were willing to take a beating for a payday. Resume is relevant, Charles displayed his skills against vastly superior opposition. Roy did beat Reggie Johnson, was given fits by Griffin and Tarver, then got stopped by Tarver and Johnson. This is a no brainer, Ezzard Charles by KO.
ahhhh, you sound familiar. like a certain group who once frequented the classic and general. you don't really seem to know anything about roy jones, which is fine, but best to leave the debate to those who've actually watched him and know his resume. hope you learn something on this thread :good
agreed, i was pointing out the marshall footage simply because that's the only true prime footage we have. by the time he was at heavyweight, he was past his very best. the marshall footage would compare possible to jones against toney/johnson in terms of respective peaks
If you can pick holes in what I've said, and present your own arguments then fair enough, I'm willing to discuss it, and support what I've said. If not, then thanks very much for your input.
hole 1: he didn't spend a career fighting taxi drivers or policemen is that enough? take a look at his resume honestly. I've been up front that it doesn't compete with charles', you take it to cartoonish extremes which don't match reality
Of course he didn't literally spend a career fighting 'taxi drivers' and 'policemen', you know what point I'm making, you're just being pedantic. For much of Jones' time at LHW, he fought vastly overmatched opposition, when bigger fights against some of the best fighters of the era, were out there to be made, you know this as well as I do. It's a relevant point, that Charles proved his quality and skills against better opposition, that's a huge factor to take into consideration. He also beat the best LHW of his time, Jones didn't. By the way, Rick Frazier was actually a police officer, and Tony 'the punching postman' Thornton was indeed a postman.
fair point. but jones WAS the best LHW of his time. the only match he could/should have made was against DM. neither fighter made it happen which was a shame. roy beat the best who would fight him and there is evidence to suggest he went after the group of collins/benn/eubank but the fights never happened. he wanted the hopkins rematch to. a lot of it was out of his hands but he should have those names on his resume. against though, it's not a resume comparison but a h2h. i see jones having far more of a chance than you. you make a reasonable point though and charles was more proven at the weight
Archie Moore was a big puncher .. he was not Bob Satterfield but he possessed KO power, no doubt. Look at his fights w Maxim and see the look of realization in Joey's eyes as he tastes that power. At light heavy I think Charles was a bigger hitter than Jones as well .
Jones dominated the sport based on speed and reflexes .. he very rarely got hit ... a chin does not just dissolve ... we have seen him badly iced and badly rocked many times over in the last ten years and it is because he is now being hit solidly, plain and simple. When guys like that slow down we see if other skill sets come up like in the case w Ali .. no one knew if he had a great chin pre-exile because he was so hard to hit ... we learned he had a terrific chin ... in Jones case we learned he did not ..
Moore was for sure, not so sure about Charles...He was very accurate and sharp threw crisp combos but he wasnt a big puncher....I'd say he and Jones had similar power their at 175 neither guy were getting those one punch kayos they did at middlewieght
Jones dominated the sport based on speed and reflexes .. he very rarely got hit ... a chin does not just dissolve like Roy's did ... we have seen him badly iced and badly rocked many times over in the last ten years and it is because he is now being hit solidly, plain and simple.
