Ezzard Charles vs. Sonny Liston

see Liston Patterson .. why would it be much different, or maybe not.. At some point , Liston bombs him out imo

 

He didn't bomb out Bert Whitehurst. While it's feasible that Liston stops Charles, I would say that Charles has just as much chance at making it to the final bell as Whitehurst or Machen, 2 inferior fighters to prime Charles and around his same size.

 

But he did bomb out Patterson and Williams in the fashion that he did, 4 times!! .. what other heavy could do that, not many ... He's too big for Charles , so I am sticking with the other side of the coin here

 

Yeah but Charles would be better at avoiding those punches. On the other hand, if Liston connects solidly, it'll be all over. But landing a KO punch on prime Charles is easier in the saying than in the doing. Machen survived by smothering Liston and using lots of movement.

 

In their second fight Liston did bomb out Whitehurst he bombed him out of the ring,he was struggling to get back in during the last round when the final bell saved him from a ko.Machen fought on the back foot against Sonny Charles wouldn't ,he would be trying to win.
Your argument doesnt really have any logic to it.
Its akin to saying well Wayne Bethea went the distance with Valdes and Williams ,
so he should with Liston ,except Liston stopped him in 1 round.
How about Whitehurst went the distance with Liston so he would with Moore except he didn't!

 

My logic is that Charles is better than Whitehurst and Machen and yes Whitehurst was put through the ropes, but he made it to the end. For whatever reason, he wasn't stopped and he was able to avoid getting caught again. And in the first fight, Whitehurst wasn't caught like that. He lost. But he made it to the end.

I'm not saying that Liston doesn't KO Charles or that Liston loses. Just that Charles can make it to the end and be more competitive than either were.

 

Liston by KO

 

Employing the masterclass template of the Joe Louis fight I believe Charles has a real chance of beating Sonny Liston. He would have to be at his best though.

 

Interesting fight! I wonder what the Las Vegas Odds would have looked like.
My guess .... Liston the Favorite -305 and Charles the underdog at +240. Under 10 1/2 -125 and Over 10 1/2 +105.
My pick would have been for Charles with the under 10 1/2 rounds.

 

Completely different fight. Ezzard was so much physically tougher than Floyd. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all. Patterson, with his psychological issues, was unable to do himself justice both times and would fare better against just about any other champion.

If whitehurst lasts the distance so does Ezzard. And I believe Ezzard will hit Sonny a whole lot more along the way there than Whitehurst did.

Sonny is a big dangerous guy with all time power…But Ezzard beat better versions of all the best guys Marciano beat plus plenty of other heavyweights the size of Sonny. He really knew how to manoeuvre around that type of guy. And there is film to prove it. Watch Charles against Louis. Watch Charles versus Wallace.

This is no cake walk for Sonny. At all.

 

liston ko. physical mismatch.

 

Liston by KO in about 7 after some very competitive and enjoyable rounds. Charles simply can’t bang with Liston and eventually Liston is going to connect. I can see a left hook in maybe the identical fashion as what Walcott did to Charles in 1951 in Pittsburgh doing the trick.

 

…Until you watch Charles against guys like Wallace and Louis.

 

Took Walcott 37 rounds to land that one punch.

 

Yeah but Sonny was just a wee bit better than Jersey Joe LOL.