Ezzard Charles was as good as Ray Robinson

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  1. Manassa

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    Coming from Moore, that means little.
     
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  2. SLAKKA

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    Why dose it mean little??

    After you make a statement..give reasons.
     
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  3. Manassa

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    Moore often told stories, sometimes different versions of the same event, and they frequently fail to add up. He was a truly great fighter, but an even greater bullshitter :good

    I think it's more a case of Moore trying to defend himself against the history books which clearly state that both Burley and Booker beat the **** out of him when he was younger. They were brilliant fighters in their own right, Booker in particular being underrated - but you can't tell me that either one was better than Charles, who holds one of the finest winning resumes in all boxing lore.
     
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  4. essexboy

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    He did beat a host of legends.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Moore said that Charles wanted to fight him a fourth time ,but by then Charles had deteriorated markedly. Archie declined ,
    "you just keep it for your grandchildren that you beat Old Archie three times",true? Who knows?
     
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  6. Manassa

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    There are some nice autographs in Eastgate, seen 'em?
     
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  7. Sweet Pea

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    Haaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!
     
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  8. Manassa

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    :huh

    I suppose you're referring to my Moore reference when he said he came in with a new style to beat Charles every time they fought but could never get round him.

    I think that's just a bit different.
     
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  9. Sweet Pea

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    Nah, that wasn't it at all. I just noticed an unintentional pun in your post.
     
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  10. Russell

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    Can't argue that there's too much of a gap between them.

    Charles certainly accomplished far more things at the higher weights then Robinson did, and you can argue he has the better wins as well.

    A natural LHW beating a still useful Joe Louis? Charley Burley? Absolutely manhandling Archie Moore?

    Can't rationally see Ezzard out of a top five P4P list, all time, personally.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    I dont think any one should get uptight about the assertion that Charles was on a par with SRR,if he wasnt it it must have been damn close .
     
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  12. PetethePrince

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    That's the worst version of Joe Louis.

    I give him far more credit for his wins against Walcott.
     
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  13. Russell

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    Yeah, the one Marciano fought 8 fights later was somehow magically better and less ringworn. :lol:

    Oh, I get it. It's the 4 and 1/2 pounds heavier he was for the Charles fight right? Of course.

    Fact - Louis tore through several very good contenders immediately after the Charles loss to get that fight with Marciano.

    That version of Louis was in no way shape or form any worse then the Holmes that Spink's beat in their first fight.

    Were either (Holmes/Louis) at their absolute peaks? Of course not.

    Is it unbelievably impressive that natural LHW's beat those two top 5 ATG heavyweights?

    You better ****ing believe it.
     
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  14. Bummy Davis

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    SSR was a flashier fighter, Charles was just as effective as Ray and hit just as hard per lb. I have always heard Charles mentioned as a truly great fighter, one of the best complete fighter that ever lived. I think he would have been a lot of trouble for any of the top 5 heavys of all time. He gave Marciano trouble in the 1st fight, Beat an older Louis. Beat Walcott and the impressive way he KO'd Bob Satterfield, Coley Wallace, he also handled Archie Moore and Joey Maxim. I can see Ezzard giving Ali and Holmes a lot of trouble as well as the other greats
     
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  15. Russell

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    Charles was actually the only fighter to ever go 15 rounds with Marciano.
     
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